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« Reply #300 on: August 21, 2013, 03:27:11 PM » |
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not strictly true, his 30 average could stay there or go down
He was the new kid on the block and didn't cemenet his place
He'll go to Australia in November, they will go back to 6 batsmen and he will have to make runs that series or that will be that
Obviously if the Ashes were still at stake they wouldn't have changed the balance of the side
No point displaying so much Yorkshire biad tthat it blinds you to the facts sir!
I 100% agree i am biased but it was this comment that made me think.. Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special "How many times has Phillip Hughes been dropped by Australia now? Jonny Bairstow has now been dropped by England three times, and it becomes more and more difficult for these young players when the selectors don't have confidence in them." |
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« Reply #301 on: August 21, 2013, 03:27:25 PM » |
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I know Root got a 180 or whatever it was, but his other innings have been dreadful. Scores painfully slowly and then gets out in single figures.
Guess a big ton like that cements your place for a year or so though. Unless you are Compton.
exactly it buys him time to develop. He's been the chosen one for 2-3 years now because his technique is superb. Bairstow's isn't yet |
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« Reply #302 on: August 21, 2013, 03:27:50 PM » |
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Bairstow is and never will be a test batsmen. If he improves his keeping significantly he would be ok at 7 as can score quickly, however his technique is terrible and falls over his legs to anything straight- basically when you come in at 6 for England the idea is in 2 years you are at 4/5. If Bairstow is a test number 4 then im a premier league centre midfielder
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« Reply #303 on: August 21, 2013, 03:29:11 PM » |
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not strictly true, his 30 average could stay there or go down
He was the new kid on the block and didn't cemenet his place
He'll go to Australia in November, they will go back to 6 batsmen and he will have to make runs that series or that will be that
Obviously if the Ashes were still at stake they wouldn't have changed the balance of the side
No point displaying so much Yorkshire biad tthat it blinds you to the facts sir!
I 100% agree i am biased but it was this comment that made me think.. Michael Vaughan, Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special "How many times has Phillip Hughes been dropped by Australia now? Jonny Bairstow has now been dropped by England three times, and it becomes more and more difficult for these young players when the selectors don't have confidence in them." Because they aren't sure he is the real deal. Compton's innings at Headingley told them he wasn't the real deal Root is, clearly By and large under Flower England have not chopped and changed. the fact they do with Bairstow a bit shows he is on borrowed time unless he produces soon. Still had the first four ashes tests though. |
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« Reply #304 on: August 21, 2013, 03:31:32 PM » |
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Yeah its good to hear other peoples view on Bairstow, still youngish and time to improve his technique. Wish he could play for Yorkshire in the final 4-5 games in the championship!
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« Reply #305 on: August 21, 2013, 03:32:01 PM » |
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I think Root will be feeling a bit of pressure to have a decent match in this one though. People moaned that Cook and Compton were too pedestrian, but Root is being just as negative recently, and he's not even building up scores after being 1 from 30 balls.
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« Reply #306 on: August 21, 2013, 03:42:14 PM » |
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Using the eye test I just don't think Baristow is good enough at test level, simple as that. Would much rather see James Taylor get a prolonged spell in the side.
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« Reply #307 on: August 21, 2013, 03:45:12 PM » |
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Agreed - I think Taylor deserves a run in the team.
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« Reply #308 on: August 21, 2013, 06:25:52 PM » |
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Really stupid bringing the randoms in, we need to kick Australia while they are down. This is only going to allow them to get some confidence going into the next series.
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« Reply #309 on: August 22, 2013, 01:02:52 AM » |
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Really stupid bringing the randoms in, we need to kick Australia while they are down. This is only going to allow them to get some confidence going into the next series.
Its for the future. Woakes is in cos he can hold a bat and we are worried about future spin prospects with Monty just not up to scratch/having a breakdown. 11/2 England feels huge. Seems like a freeroll for early morning wickets as the price can't move too far in the morning. If England don't take (enough) wickets then what price would we expect them at lunch? 7 s? |
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« Reply #310 on: August 22, 2013, 10:46:23 AM » |
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Really stupid bringing the randoms in, we need to kick Australia while they are down. This is only going to allow them to get some confidence going into the next series.
Its for the future. Woakes is in cos he can hold a bat and we are worried about future spin prospects with Monty just not up to scratch/having a breakdown. 11/2 England feels huge. Seems like a freeroll for early morning wickets as the price can't move too far in the morning. If England don't take (enough) wickets then what price would we expect them at lunch? 7 s? both looked like rabbit in the headlights. Least play tremlet so see if fit and back to his best. Look at all the papers today all saying wtf, Bob willis was equally baffled on Sky last night. it goes against everything flower has done before. |
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« Reply #311 on: August 22, 2013, 11:02:30 AM » |
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anyone see the masterclass this morning? hilarious | Click to see full-size image. |
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« Reply #312 on: August 22, 2013, 11:25:01 AM » |
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Really stupid bringing the randoms in, we need to kick Australia while they are down. This is only going to allow them to get some confidence going into the next series.
Its for the future. Woakes is in cos he can hold a bat and we are worried about future spin prospects with Monty just not up to scratch/having a breakdown. 11/2 England feels huge. Seems like a freeroll for early morning wickets as the price can't move too far in the morning. If England don't take (enough) wickets then what price would we expect them at lunch? 7 s? I know the thinking but I think its entirely wrong. What would the Oz team of 10-20 years ago done to us? Rubbed our faces in the dirt you can be sure of that. The series down under will be a lot closer, and the last thing we need is the Aussies gaining a bit of confidence before that. |
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« Reply #313 on: August 22, 2013, 01:15:49 PM » |
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The Aussies lost a bunch of dead rubbers to us in their dominant era.
Between 89 and 03, England won 7 tests all but one of them edgbaston 97 was a dead rubber. That is a lot of games the Aussies basically took their foot off the pedal.
Tighty that masterclass moment was hilarious, but overall they have been very informative .
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« Reply #314 on: August 23, 2013, 02:35:03 PM » |
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Good decision not to play Chris Tremlett 33-5-96-8 vs Durham.
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