QQ in the 15k... what to do!

[Gamblor21]

Game #1475869774: Hold'em NL (50/100) - 2006/01/21 - 20:55:28 (UK)
Table "£15K_SAT 1735590 - 2" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 1: Darkmater (3105 in chips)
Seat 2: Flick (1690 in chips)
Seat 3: Bayman (1045 in chips)
Seat 4: Deanj3001 (7117.50 in chips)
Seat 5: thebanjo (1583.28 in chips)
Seat 6: mrmonty2 (4143.44 in chips)
Seat 7: HaveMercy (2068.28 in chips)
Seat 8: Phlopedes (4647.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Money_man (4415 in chips)
Seat 10: Flopper (5035 in chips)
Phlopedes: posts small blind 50
Money_man: posts big blind 100

dealt to Money_man [ ]

Flopper: calls 100
Darkmater: raises to 400
Flick: folds
Bayman: folds
Deanj3001: folds
thebanjo: folds
mrmonty2: folds
HaveMercy: raises to 2068.28 and is all-in
Phlopedes: folds

What do you do?

[Gamblor21]

edited as i put the whole history...

I want peolpes views on what they would do not what i did, lol

[mystery721]

i would fold myself, flopper limps, darkmater raises from earlyish posistion (id say he has a hand), havemercy reraises all in and doesnt appear to be worried about the strength of darkmater hand, so id fold the Q Q, but u really need a feel for how the table is going and wots been happening, does havemercy have the sense to know darkmater is showing strength with his raise after theres been a limper? if he does then its an easy fold for me.

[Bazzaboy]

Assuming no notes on the opponents then I pass.

[mystery721]

maybe havemercy has darkmater on a medium pair and his all in is to isolate with a k for 50/50, u really need to know the players and wots been happening, but generally wots written with the way the betting went i think u were right to fold the Q Q, 

[Indestructable]

Personally I would have gone all in.
Only two hands would be up on yours and still with an average stack to continue in the game if you lose, unless Darkmater calls.
But then what do I know.
 

[Bazzaboy]

Mystery721....looks like we agree for once lol

Seriously though, I'd need a "reason" to call here eg my read/notes on other players suggest that their range of hands is pretty wide.

[NoflopsHomer]

I'd fold. At best, both opponents have AK...

[MrMoves]

Raiser and re-raiser are covered.  It's still early and a loss to either, although leaving you low, wouldn't leave you too badly stacked.

QQ is probably favourite but again (like the last QQ hand) I'd be worried about KK.  Overcards are a big possibility, AK is not miles behind.  I don't think a call OR fold is wrong.  There should, hopefully, be better positions to move a big stack in.  Call and win the hand and you're very strong for the next few rounds.

It would depend on table dynamics for me, but without any info' I'd fold.

 

[mystery721]

lol bazza, yeah it looks like pretty easy fold, but as u say its hard when uve not been at the table with players, indestructable are u calling on the basis ur holding  Q Q and u cant fold it? or do u think ur ahead? darkmater has raised in early posistion with a limper in the pot and havemercy has seen this sign of strength and doesnt seemed worried about it 9/10 its a fold for me

[Gamblor21]

Thanks for the responses... If i think they both have AK i call without a doubt!

Havemercy took a while before he moved in, i had just been moved to the table so have little info on the players!

[NoflopsHomer]

Thanks for the responses... If i think they both have AK i call without a doubt!

Havemercy took a while before he moved in, i had just been moved to the table so have little info on the players!

Yeah, so would I, but I mean that's the best case scenario, what did they both have?

[mystery721]

its starting to look like a no brainer, especially with u just coming to the table, id call too if u knew 100% they both had a k (but u dont)

[Gamblor21]

Ok...

I Folded the hand... more worried about the initial raiser really! Its about the time that short stacks start pushing in hoping to double up, so the range of hands i thought Havemercy could have had a large range really!

It turned out tha the initial raiser had QQ and Have mercy had KK... KK won.

Now this is'nt normally what i would do in this situation as i like to take a shot in big pots when i could set myself up for a good run at the tournement. In large fields i do think that making calls like this are sometimes neccessary!

Still in so i must be doing something right...

Cheers

At-iT

[mystery721]

good fold m8, i knew u were gonna say someone had aces or kings, u can tell from the betting 1 of the 2 has u beat, good pass, maybe now people will realise u gotta fold monsters preflop. glad im not the only one who does it