Long term 2013-14 football market bets: Your tips please

[The Camel]

Only 25 years since this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_FA_Cup_Final

Pretty sad really.

[tikay]

Only 25 years since this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_FA_Cup_Final

Pretty sad really.

What must the chap below be thinking today?

Click to see full-size image.

If there were such a thing as a Fooball Hall of Fame, he'd be in it. He has pioneered so many things in football, & I doubt 5% of football fans realise that.

He was actually involved in this incident (below), in a way, too.

Name the incident, the course, & the winning, horse, jockey & trainer of the race?

[The Camel]

Only 25 years since this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_FA_Cup_Final

Pretty sad really.

What must the chap below be thinking today?

Click to see full-size image.

If there were such a thing as a Fooball Hall of Fame, he'd be in it. He has pioneered so many things in football, & I doubt 5% of football fans realise that.

He was actually involved in this incident (below), in a way, too.

Name the incident, the course, & the winning, horse, jockey & trainer of the race?

Absolutely no idea.

Looks like Greville Starkey on board?

[tikay]

That may well be Greville, but I don't know for sure.

A clue to the incident is this man, who rode the winner that day. He has a very famous son.

Anyway, we better stop the derail, or the football lads will get cross.

[Eso Kral]

If the Club cannot fulfix it's fixtures & is in liquidation, it will not be relegated, it will just disappear. Different thing entirely, imo.

Does that mean Walsall could still get promoted/relegated for last year?

[tikay]

If the Club cannot fulfix it's fixtures & is in liquidation, it will not be relegated, it will just disappear. Different thing entirely, imo.

Does that mean Walsall could still get promoted/relegated for last year?

GO AWAY, you are BANNED from the Betting Boards.

[Sheriff Fatman]

If there's a single entity involved in the this then liquidation would signal the end of the club's existence.  It's effectively the point at which all activity ceases and the remaining assets are sold off for whatever can be raised (it's a final process at the end of a receivership, or sometime an administration, to ultimately wipe the entity from the records.

The background to this looks to be that the proposed CVA, which would have been an agreed exit route from administration, failed to get the required votes, so this is now the last option available to the administrator (who can't continue to keep the company in administration indefinitely, as it's a court-appointed process and is only granted if there's a foreseeable alternative to liquidation which would give a better return for creditors).

For fans of the team, it's a much scarier term to see used than administration.  If, as someone has suggested, it's a holding company that's being liquidated, then it might not be so fatal a blow.  Certainly the info I've read so far doesn't indicate that they won't be fulfilling fixtures from tomorrow which is what I'd expect from reading about their liquidation.

[The Camel]

That may well be Greville, but I don't know for sure.

A clue to the incident is this man, who rode the winner that day. He has a very famous son.

Anyway, we better stop the derail, or the football lads will get cross.

Nope, still no clue.

[kp24]

I've backed

Championship -Wigan
League one -wolves
League two-fleetwood
Conference - Luton (to finally do it for me)

Think Wigan and wolves are especially well priced think could has made some food signings with holt and others and they have kept hold of most of there players like mcmanaman,McCarthy and Maloney

Some great value in goalscorer markets

Jelavic at 150/1 e/w
James constable at Oxford at 33/1
Lee Hughes at port vale 33/1

[rinswun]

Can't have Wolves at the price at all. No fav has won League 1 for 18 years. In that time Leeds, Norwich, Southampton, Man City, Sheffield Utd, Nottingham Forest etc have all been in the league and all not won it. They may well win it but at less than I wouldn't want to be backing them.

[Nakor]

Only 25 years since this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_FA_Cup_Final

Pretty sad really.

What must the chap below be thinking today?

Click to see full-size image.

If there were such a thing as a Fooball Hall of Fame, he'd be in it. He has pioneered so many things in football, & I doubt 5% of football fans realise that.

He was actually involved in this incident (below), in a way, too.

Name the incident, the course, & the winning, horse, jockey & trainer of the race?

In the 70's did the stable boys strike and then storm the course at Newmarket?
Is it that?

No idea why, or why Jimmy Hill or Frankie's dad were involved.

[Nakor]

Good old Lester . . . .  Charge!

 http://observer.theguardian.com/osm/story/0,,482474,00.html

You will have to explain the Jimmy Hill link though.

[tikay]

Good old Lester . . . .  Charge!

 http://observer.theguardian.com/osm/story/0,,482474,00.html

You will have to explain the Jimmy Hill link though.

Winner.

It was the stable lads strike in 1975, which disrupted the start of the 2,000 Guineas, eventually won by Bolkonski, at 33/1, from Grundy.

He was owned by Carlo d'Alessio. Carlo originally had the horse trained in Italy by Sergio Cumani. Sergio's son was Luca Cumani, who was, at the time, Assistant Trainer to a then young Henry Cecil. So the horse came across to be trained by Henry.

The jockey up top was Gianfranco Dettori, father of Frankie, who was just 5 or 6 at the time. You can see from the photo, Frankie is the perfect spit of his Dad.

Tom Dickie, Cecil's Head Lad, forsook his bonus for Bolkonski winning as he never returned to work for him, the bad blood was very bitter.

The Stable Lads were dreadfully underpaid, & badly organised, so Jimmy Hill got involved, organised their Union, and remains, to this day, a Trustee of the Stable Lads Association.

Jimmy hill is also credited with the original notion of all seater football stadia in the UK, and for pestering the football authorities to introduce three points for a win. Famously, of course, he was responsible for the Maximum Wage in football being lifted. Shortly after, Johnny Haynes (Fulham) was the first £100 per week footballer.

PS - yup, I have too much time on my hands. I also happen to be reading the Henry Cecil Bio at present.

[redsimon]

If you backed Cov City to be relegated and they "disappear" instead do your bets get voided or settled as losers?

[tikay]

Still unsure if that is Greville Starkey.

At around that time he was the Cecil stable jockey, but Cecil sacked him and Starkey took the gig with Guy Harwood, which was very successful for all parties.

Cecil,  meanwhile, started using Piggott, before signing Joe Mercer, who had been replaced by Willie Carson as the stable jockey at West Ilsey for Major Hern.