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aaron1867
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Is this bad etiquette?
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July 01, 2013, 07:16:16 AM »
I always like to think I have good table etiquette, but thought about two hands where I thought it might have been bad.
situation 1
I'm at DTD for the £300 deep stack and its first few levels of day two.
I'm up again an older very tight player who has 3b me and I call with 10-10.
Anyway to cut a long story short the board reads 9-J-Q-10-Q, I have 10-10, he has K-K. I'm not 100% how the river played out, I either checked raised or or he raised, I shoved. Anyway, I've put him all in and as he is thinking I say "I hope you are not slowing me", I obviously know he has KK or even KA, but I want all his chips.
He eventually folds and didn't hear me say it anyway.
After the hand played out it was the break and some bloke from Scunthorpe called Jason I think? Said "that's poor etiquette mate"
Is it?
situation 2
I'm playing 1/2 cash.
I can't remember board, but I had a straight of some sort on the river. I check to him hoping he will bet out again and I put my cards into a motion showing that I'm likely to fold to any bet.
He eventually bets and calls my raise too and I win.
Again, is this bad etiquette?
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celtic
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Re: Is this bad etiquette?
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July 01, 2013, 07:17:46 AM »
No and no.
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Re: Is this bad etiquette?
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July 01, 2013, 08:56:26 AM »
Certainly not bad etiquette when you give your hand away with the speech making his fold easy.
Second one isn't bad etiquette but if you normally move your cards in this way and fold most of the time, you are giving another tell to observant players
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July 01, 2013, 10:26:52 AM »
First one is okay but the second is a little douchey imo.
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July 01, 2013, 10:28:54 AM »
its not bad etiquette but its an incredible way to not get paid.
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July 01, 2013, 10:31:17 AM »
1 is ok. Amazed you got paid
2 is borderline and unnecessary, bordering on angle shooting, imo.
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Re: Is this bad etiquette?
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July 01, 2013, 10:32:27 AM »
Quote from: Karabiner on July 01, 2013, 10:26:52 AM
First one is okay but the second is a little douchey imo.
totally this.
some speech is ok like in hand one but i would NEVER do what you did in hand 2. (edit: maybe only to jakally).
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July 01, 2013, 11:51:34 AM »
Is definitely a tell, but in hand one, he didn't actually hear me say it, so......
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July 01, 2013, 11:58:52 AM »
Neither of these things are hugely terrible, but neither are they very classy.
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July 01, 2013, 12:10:33 PM »
Quote from: Honeybadger on July 01, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
Neither of these things are hugely terrible, but neither are they very classy.
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July 01, 2013, 02:11:29 PM »
Quote from: CHIPPYMAN on July 01, 2013, 12:10:33 PM
Quote from: Honeybadger on July 01, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
Neither of these things are hugely terrible, but neither are they very classy.
^^^
This
#2 is similar to the old 'fondle your chips like you going to bet' trick as still practised by the legend that is Mickey Wernick.
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July 01, 2013, 02:21:27 PM »
Quote from: Honeybadger on July 01, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
Neither of these things are hugely terrible, but neither are they very classy.
1 is pretty stupid, 2 is def douschey.
expect nothing less though.
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July 01, 2013, 02:26:44 PM »
yep, thought douchey would be correct word to use!
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July 01, 2013, 02:53:11 PM »
#1 is abso fine... not remotely bad in any way (except probs in a getting paid sense)
#2 is kinda low. I did this once myself when I first started playing and then realised it was kinda wrong. It depends slightly how you did it... if you're holding your cards almost over the line in a very suggestive manner (or even worse motioning you are going to fold) I think its pretty douchey... if there's just a certain way you regularly hold your cards when you are going to be folding (quite a few do esp pre) then it's fine.
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July 01, 2013, 02:56:05 PM »
Quote from: WotRTheChances on July 01, 2013, 02:53:11 PM
#2 is kinda low. I did this once myself when I first started playing and then realised it was kinda wrong. It depends slightly how you did it... if you're holding your cards almost over the line in a very suggestive manner (or even worse motioning you are going to fold) I think its pretty douchey... if there's just a certain way you regularly hold your cards when you are going to be folding (quite a few do esp pre) then it's fine.
I didn't put the cards in a over the line way or tell him, but it's hard to describe how it was, cards inunder my hands, but hand over line, which to be fair.... I do quite a lot, sometimes I fold sometimes I call, etc. So thinking about it, it's not something I do with any intention
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