Run it twice - what, why, how?

[George2Loose]

Lol how could we forget that one? So good

[Longy]

Just for completeness

[Tal]

Never seen that before. That is just ridiculous. What on earth was Robl doing?

[hotdog]

Sorry? Are we doing YouTube clips of people running it multiple times?



Even though I know it's coming, I'm still struggling for breath laughing.

This is hillarious, can only happen to PH though!

[Boba Fett]

Stupid question but does running it multiple times only ever happen in games with community cards?  Is it possible/does it ever happen in stud/draw games?

[George2Loose]

I'm one of these people who refuses to run it twice. I don't do it to intimidate people but more because I always try to get my money in good and if I get my money in bad then I deserve to lose a whole pot.

Can see why people do it, it can reduce variance on that one particular session.

I'm not really bothered about being 'one of the boys' - I mean, I'm not even a boy. So I probably wouldn't do it just to give someone a lifeline either.

Do u think you'd have a breaking point tho? Like if
A game gets sick deep and u both get a ton of money in?

[GreekStein]

I'm one of these people who refuses to run it twice. I don't do it to intimidate people but more because I always try to get my money in good and if I get my money in bad then I deserve to lose a whole pot.

this is just nonsense.

[rfgqqabc]

Just for completeness

Love this hand.

I would normally run it twice or more to lower my variance, generally if I was a regular I think it would be correct to almost always want to do one thing, but allow your opponent good grace to decide ultimately. Every professional should run it twice when possible, no one really wants unnecessary variance.

Melissa I think Mr. Greekstein called it nonsense because you have the same equity no matter how many times the hand is run. Obviously if you run the river 25 times then you are more likely to get some part of the pot but this doesn't change your equity. And, if you have 10% equity you do not deserve to lose the full pot, behind or not

Anything that lowers variance whilst maintaining ev is awesome.

[Katais]

I've never done anything like this but when I've seen it on TV I often wonder why the community cards dealt the 'first time' aren't put back in to the deck, reshuffled and then dealt again for the 2nd deal?

Extreme example but if I get AK in pre v QQ for 300xbb and we agree to 'run it twice' I want 48% equity (or whatever it is) twice....

Not for it to come AAAKK the first time and be drawing to 1 out or a miracle flush/straight the 2nd time.

Am I being stupid?

[cambridgealex]

It makes no difference, just takes longer to reshuffle the first board.

[Katais]

What am I missing?

48% equity the first time and then potentially as little as, what, 7/8% equity the 2nd time? That's a big difference?

[DungBeetle]

I think running it multiple times is a friendly thing to do, and is dependent on size of pot for me.  We have a game that by the end of the evening is £1/£2 blind but with 3k/4k stacks.  The game plays very aggressively, so you get pretty marginal situations for large pots, and we often run it 3 times just to stop someone doing their pods completely.  I prefer running it 3 times to 2 times because at least you get a pot "winner" as opposed to chopping.

[dino1980]

Remember that hand. U could see how wounded mercier was.

On my phone but another famous run it twice hand is where greenstein and durr get it in on qxxss. Durr has kqss and greenstein aces.

Had the chance to interview Dr. Greenstein a couple of years ago and asked him about this hand and the policy of running it once/multiple times in High Stakes cash games. He said the reason he only ran it once against Durrr and why he only runs it once in general is that Barry believes he's one of the best in the world when playing stuck, but thinks Durrrr and many of the other players play worse when stuck. So it's in his interest to give them the best possible chance of getting stuck!

[jakally]

If it's a recreational player in the hand, I would always go with what they wanted to do.
Other times my personal preference is to deal it out as normal, but wouldn't go out of my way to be awkward, if someone really wants to run it multiple times.

[Mitch]

Im usually happy to run it twice if its a ridic pot for the game in cooler situations. If we're just getting a buy in each in on a flip, let it be.

As somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, there are some circumstances where being known as somebody who runs it twice allows people to become mega aggro vs you with all their draws. i remember when Alex first started becoming a reg in the 1/2 games at DTD and we ran a few things twice, more as a favor to him at the time (before he had the lot!).

I soon realised I was taking a lot of pressure off him in the games and put a stop to it, mainly to make him squirm