Main event fml spot vs Jake Cody

[AlexMartin]

Also I've been thinking a bunch about the main event. Everyone is taking incredibly nitty/low variances lines cos they dont wanna bust cos of their massive hedge etc etc. Surely if you stop taking a bunch of winning lines you have far less of an edge anyway. Also, if everyone if playing tight it is even more reason for you to go off like a train

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[AlexMartin]

also flatting pre is fine, might even flat this 4ball tbh and checkjam anything resembling equity and c/c anything good.

[Boba Fett]

If you fold here he can pretty much runover you all day on this soft table.  Sometimes even with a soft table you have to get the other good players under control so that you can fully take advantage of the rest of the table

[redarmi]

The hand is all about Jakes perception of you (and to a lesser extent his perception of how you perceive him).  You have already said he has seen you spew before but I am assuming he knows you and that you are capable so he is very likely to think you could be squeezing light here which widens his range.  He may also have read your post about wanting to avoid him and take a low variance route.  I dont see how we are significantly behind to his range here and we could quite easily be in great shape. 

[CHIPPYMAN]

The hand is all about Jakes perception of you (and to a lesser extent his perception of how you perceive him).  You have already said he has seen you spew before but I am assuming he knows you and that you are capable so he is very likely to think you could be squeezing light here which widens his range.  He may also have read your post about wanting to avoid him and take a low variance route.  I dont see how we are significantly behind to his range here and we could quite easily be in great shape. 

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[Young_gun]

Ship it in his eye, pretty sure we are good most of the time. Seems standard, if he has.aa/kk sux but im not folding or calling here vs a good/aggro player

[cambridgealex]

ftr I posted about "avoiding him" with only an hour before the end of the day and when I had 20-30bbs so I don't think it would have made a difference even if he did read it. If we were still deep / had longer left to play then I agree it would be bad to post anything like that - though having said that it's just the smart thing to do when you have a table like that, and I'm sure he would expect it anyway. We both stayed out each others way for the first 6/7 hours of play but once I got short and he had chunks then he put the pressure on more.

About the hand, I think my options preflop (having 3bet) are to CALL or SHOVE. Clicking back is the worst option I think.

I felt it was an obligatory 3bet because of the 2 callers in the pot. One especially was a very loose player who I would expect to peel this 3bet v wide, and he was peeling EP opens with 95s, 42s, 89o etc so getting into a big pot with a top notch hand with him was very appealing to me.

The idea that 3betting a value hand and then folding to a 4bet being bad is just plain wrong in my opinion. There's several permutations of things can happen when we 3bet, all of which are positive for us. If we were to 3bet for value because of all these postive outcomes but fold when we get 4bet I think that's just fine in theory. Not necessarily with AK but say we had AQ or TT. This is all in theory and not about this specific hand obviously.

[Killerkilsby]

Its not always wrong to fold to a 4b when 3betting i agree with you there. But what was your plan when you did it? Whilst deciding to 3b you must of considered what action to take if he did 4b?

[kinboshi]

Was going to ask. What do you do with TT here?

[cambridgealex]

Its not always wrong to fold to a 4b when 3betting i agree with you there. But what was your plan when you did it? Whilst deciding to 3b you must of considered what action to take if he did 4b?

I didn't think I'd get 4bet very often and since I decided that I was definitely going to 3bet, I thought I'd cross that bridge if I came to it.

If you're always going to do something, eg bet river when checked to with AK on K2259, then it's perfectly fine to consider what to do when c/raised when that actually happens.

@Kinboshi, I'd probably just flat TT pre, probs squeeze JJ and jam over a 4bet since it doesn't flop as well as AKs, I felt I could take a flop with AKs here profitably given getting such a good price and having such a strong hand.

[theprawnidentity]

Was going to ask. What do you do with TT here?

Seen as we dont really have a plan for getting 4b my guess is that we have to take the easy route and mine the shit out of it.  I would probably be happy to 5b shove it too though.

[wazz]

Everything's been said already and I agree with everyone.

Flatting pre the first time. In general when we have a good player opening and one or more bad players calling and then we act, it's good to squeeze wide because the good player will recognize that he will be sandwiched at every point in the hand, i.e. worst possible relative position, while the bad players will be happier to call with a wider range as they are closing the action. However I feel that here that's outweighed by the deceptive value of having Jake or others put lots of money in on A and K-high flops, not expecting us to turn up with a hand as strong as AK. Also that Jake isn't just a good player, he's a great player and will take delight in fking with you as he has done here.

As played tho we have a very easy jam.

[cambridgealex]

Everything's been said already and I agree with everyone.

Flatting pre the first time. In general when we have a good player opening and one or more bad players calling and then we act, it's good to squeeze wide because the good player will recognize that he will be sandwiched at every point in the hand, i.e. worst possible relative position, while the bad players will be happier to call with a wider range as they are closing the action. However I feel that here that's outweighed by the deceptive value of having Jake or others put lots of money in on A and K-high flops, not expecting us to turn up with a hand as strong as AK. Also that Jake isn't just a good player, he's a great player and will take delight in fking with you as he has done here.

As played tho we have a very easy jam.

How can you agree with everyone and then say we have a very easy jam when many people have said to peel the 4b and see a flop?

It's 100% NOT an easy jam.

[wazz]

Oh did the majority not say to jam?

I don't think we're jamming for value. Even with our history (and it's questionable he remembers it) it's very unlikely we're getting a call from AQ. We're jamming to protect our hand, because it's a lower variance line, because it sets a good table image (that when we 3b we're willing to go with the hand - our 3bs should get more respect in the future) and because sucking out on AA/KK with AK is absolutely awesome.

[Tal]

I can't honestly understand the logic of putting 80bb in the middle with AK against the only player at the table we have any worries about.

In a vacuum, it's an obvo-jam, but this is contextually a very different situation. We can play very ABC against Mr Cody and then do our best Phil Ivey impression with the other seven players.

To me, the way this is being discussed by people whose opinions obviously carry greater weight than mine just seems bizarre. We end up some of the time being asked how we lost our chips and having to explain we got into a pissing contest with the only bloke with a badge and a bracelet at the table, being outlasted by three old ladies, a man who rustles pigs, a banker, a satellite winner who has never played live before and Wyoming Willie, the 1954 All-American Poker Series Kansas City Stud Lowball winner.