Rankings changes

[doubleup]

Don't know if this has been posted before, but there have been some changes in the points system presumably to reflect the achievement of getting to the final table of the big events. 

Also "Tournaments which do not have dealers for all tables will not qualify as ranking events. (introduced 2006)"

Anyone have any thoughts on how many uk events will be knocked out?

[Ironside]

i think the dealer rule is good

nothing worse than going to a festival and finding that your paying upto £50 and having to deal yourself

[Ironside]

are they still allowing events that barr wheelchair users to hold ranking events?

[Newmanseye]

There are events that actually Barr wheel chair users?

I am sure this is against new legislation.

[Ironside]

well if you were in a wheelchair would you want to be lifted up a flight of stairs?

there are casinos without lifts and basically the only way in is by breaking health and safety and getting lifted up and down by something that would not be covered on there insurance


having been dropped down a flight of stairs once and broken my neck (with no recompence from the hotel as they werent insured ) its something i am reluctant to do


under the present legistaltion (UK only) reasonable attempt to offer a service to a disabled person where ecomically viable should be made

if i was to be carried up a flight of stairs at a casino the casino could be in breach of health and safety and there insurance and could result in them losing there abilty to serve the rest of you so basically i am barred and therefore any casino without proper facilty for the disabled should be removed from the rankings (although there is nothing wrong with them having festivals the festivals shouldn't have points awarded to them)

[RED-DOG]

 

[Royal Flush]

I don't agree.

I don't see what diffrence it would make.

[Ironside]

i do at present people in wheelchairs are at a disadvantage as most people can pick 10 events from xxxx events a year wheras we can only pick 10 events from xxxx - yyyy (where xxxx is the number of ranking events a year and yyyy is the number that are upstairs) so this means we dont get the same chance as the able bodied person

so basically it means the abled bodied person have a head start over the wheelchair users guess we could call it your handicap

[madasahatstand]

i assume you have  contacted  john  shipley about this. what did he say?

[Ironside]

no never contacted john shipley but i did contact john shoreman who said tough i cant be bothered checking which casinos have access and which ones dont

[The Baron]

no never contacted john shipley but i did contact john shoreman who said tough i cant be bothered checking which casinos have access and which ones dont

Word for word?

Even if it's along those lines that is outrageous!

[Ironside]

cant remeber exactly the words but it came down to that

[The Baron]

I feel a blonde petition coming on....

[Ironside]

here is word for word quoted from his forum

Dear Ironside,

My apologies for not replying to your letter but this is the first time I have read your grievances, I never received the email you sent.

Firstly I would like to state that I think you (and all other wheel chair users) have every right to play in all poker tournaments around Europe, and everything should be done to give you suitable access. I find it a disgrace that there are venues that do not offer suitable access.

I don’t think it right or fair that you criticise the rankings for what essentially is a grievance you (rightly) have with certain casinos. If we were to exclude casinos that did not have adequate wheel chair access this would mean that I would be responsible for inspecting all the casinos in Europe to see if the complied. This is a job I am not qualified for, and so would have to employee someone who was. This would have to be done on an on going basis to ensure that casinos continued to comply. This is cost that would be too prohibitive.

You have pointed out the problems that wheel chair users have, which is understandable as it affects you directly. But what about all the other people that some casinos discriminate against? For example, many asthma sufferers do not attend casinos that allow smoking in the card rooms because this affects them badly. Should we exclude card rooms that allow smoking because they discriminate against asthma sufferers?

Whilst I have every sympathy with your situation, I do not think the European Rankings should exclude casinos on the grounds that you give. If there is anything I can do to help wheel chair users get better access to casinos (without removing their ranking status, which I don’t think would motivate them enough to do anything anyway) I would be happy to discuss this with you.

Regards

Jon Shoreman

[The Baron]

tough i cant be bothered checking which casinos have access and which ones dont

I wouldn't go that far mate. Whilst it is feckin unfair I think Shoreman's hands seem to be tied in this case. If he takes non wheelchair access casinos out of the rankings system he's likely to just piss off a different group. (ie able bodied locals/regulars to those casinos)

He's in a lose-lose spot here.