Lots of 2nd nuts. 109 o8 early

[rfgqqabc]

PokerStars Hand #102011309858: Tournament #815010607, $100+$9 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2013/07/28 20:37:05 WET [2013/07/28 15:37:05 ET]
Table '815010607 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: -Rebus1980- (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: trelskig (2990 in chips)
Seat 3: nilsef (2760 in chips)
Seat 4: Zevik (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: bullstopper (3280 in chips)
Seat 7: platypus1519 (3000 in chips)
Seat 8: Demonic16 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: 2mark (3000 in chips)
bullstopper: posts small blind 10
platypus1519: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [ ]
Demonic16: raises 50 to 70
2mark: folds
-Rebus1980-: folds
trelskig: folds
nilsef: folds
Zevik: calls 70
bullstopper: folds
platypus1519: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Demonic16: checks
Zevik: bets 170
Demonic16: calls 170
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Demonic16: checks
Zevik: bets 510
Demonic16: folds
Uncalled bet (510) returned to Zevik
Zevik collected 510 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 510 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: -Rebus1980- folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: trelskig folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nilsef folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Zevik (button) collected (510)
Seat 6: bullstopper (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: platypus1519 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Demonic16 folded on the Turn
Seat 9: 2mark folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Zevik good reg imo, bit more willing to get frisky. Probably should bet flop but that feels results orientated.

[FUN4FRASER]

Surely with you being the Blonde Omaha H/L expert its a conversation with yourself ?   

[rfgqqabc]

Got lots of respect for Doobs, Tikay has a great record and Honeybadger still drops theoretical bombshells and I love getting fresh perspectives. I want to be the best and I can hopefully give something back to blonde. People put up with me posting in topics about 100r too! Probably fold pre I guess, tough table.  Smileys to reduce seriousness.

[Honeybadger]

I just fold this on the flop. I'd often peel IP though.

And I'd fold on the turn as played.

Maybe I am a bit too (weak) tight at PLO8. But IMO if you have to be suboptimal one way or the other it is better to be suboptimally tight than suboptimally loose at this game. In contrast to NLHE tourneys in which the opposite is probably true.

[dwayne110]

We've raised pre, then gone passive on flop and turn, why are we assuming he has the nut flush?

[gouty]

Hi/lo

So cool to see how good players decide to bail early. Which is correct of course due to the awful river bet decision. Is there any argument in this hand specifically to c/r flop and then fold or do decent regs always shove?

[Honeybadger]

Oh just seen that you raised preflop! Difficult to read HHs on my phone and I assumed you had called from the blinds.

This is far too loose an open from UTG. I may perhaps be a little suboptimally tight but this is a definite fold.

[rfgqqabc]

Tbf the one name I don't recognise is the bb, but definitely too light. Turn is a nasty spot and he must have a very good shout at half pot so with that in mind got to fold. Pot/Pot is very strong but he is frisky against me in general.

[Ironside]

I fold pre normally

I might lead flop if called its a fold on turn as your never getting more than 50% of the pot

[SuuPRlim]

seems like a DEFO fold pre-flop to me, and I'd check/fold the flop as you played it. With the J being a heart as well it leaves us with 3 clean hearts and there is every chance we could be drawing dead when we hit one of them. Would prefer to just bet the flop than c/call, in fact betting and folding seems like the best option followed VERY closely by chking and folding (the fact we've opened UTG)

We've raised pre, then gone passive on flop and turn, why are we assuming he has the nut flush?

People's range's pre-flop are much more Ace-heavy in 08 over PLO, for example people don't really (shouldn't really) be playing the J875 kinda rundown hands, whereas ofc there is plenty of hands he could have with smaller hearts in it, the fact that a high % of his range preflop WILL include an ACE does make the chance of him having the NF a lot higher than in PLO.

[Dubai]

Conversely he will be playing a lot more non suited low Axxx hands than in PLO which means he has the nut fl blocker a higher % of the time. Just playing devils advocate as dont think its anywhere near as easy a check fold bet, check fold turn etc as you all seem to think

[rfgqqabc]

Conversely he will be playing a lot more non suited low Axxx hands than in PLO which means he has the nut fl blocker a higher % of the time. Just playing devils advocate as dont think its anywhere near as easy a check fold bet, check fold turn etc as you all seem to think

Especially to pot pot. And zevik could do this but perceived edge is my excuse for now. He probably has ah3x more than anything combo wise. Ahxh possible too and thats bad. decent chance he is just exploiting my line but can put the reverse into practise now.

[SuuPRlim]

Conversely he will be playing a lot more non suited low Axxx hands than in PLO which means he has the nut fl blocker a higher % of the time. Just playing devils advocate as dont think its anywhere near as easy a check fold bet, check fold turn etc as you all seem to think

Yh but he'll have the low pot almost always in that case, unless he has specifically A25 and doesn't have a 3 4 or 6, if he happens to get to the river with A259 with the NF blocker then he should never, ever let us win the pot anyways.

We're getting ourselves exploited here by having a way way way way worse hand than we're supposed to have PF.