Famous people who have achieved success way beyond their talent level

[DaveShoelace]

Agree with almost all the selections, but also side with Tikay a little. What we see as rising above their station could in many cases be actually a result of well deserved hard work, something most people don't see or want to see in others.

[The Baron]

Lady Gaga.
Frank Lampard. (respeck)
Eminem.
Roy Hodgson.
John Wayne.
Adam Richman. (still a legend)
Chris Tarrant.
Anna Kournikova.
Jeff Stelling.
Tim Henman.
Peter Jones/Theo Paphitis.
Daniel Craig.

[The Camel]

Lady Gaga.
Frank Lampard. (respeck)
Eminem.
Roy Hodgson.
John Wayne.
Adam Richman. (still a legend)
Chris Tarrant.
Anna Kournikova.
Jeff Stelling.
Tim Henman.
Peter Jones/Theo Paphitis.
Daniel Craig.

Tim Henman?!?!?!?

Delete immediately!

He was number 4 tennis player in the world ffs! Brilliant player, unlucky to be around when Sampras was so dominant, else he would have won Wimbledon. His volleying was an absolute joy to watch.

and the word legend is massively overused in these parts, but Jeff Stelling surely deserves that title.

[TightEnd]

Lady Gaga.
Frank Lampard. (respeck)
Eminem.
Roy Hodgson.
John Wayne.
Adam Richman. (still a legend)
Chris Tarrant.
Anna Kournikova.
Jeff Stelling.
Tim Henman.
Peter Jones/Theo Paphitis.
Daniel Craig.

Disagree with almost all of this list

[Tal]

Daniel Craig won't win an Oscar but he's a better actor than at least two Bonds.

[Sheriff Fatman]

You don't rate Hague?

Best Tory leader in my lifetime. (Not saying a lot I know, but I think he's a great politician)

I think he's a total clown, even among the party of clowns.

Doesn't help that he's from Rotherham, yet has the the most irritating fake accent I've ever heard.

So glad we never had the misfortune of him as PM, although Foreign Secretary is bad enough.

Would rank him so far down the list it's untrue.  Even Thatcher has to go above him!

[TightEnd]

I think William Hague is a real talent. Superb intellect. Much much better than Cameron as a theorist, but not really a leader as his image is a bit "specialist" for the wider public

Never lock Sheriff and I in a room to talk politiics

[Sheriff Fatman]

Hugh Laurie

Wow, he'd be one of the last people I'd put on the list.

Comedian, musician, serious actor, Blues Oarsman.  Incredibly talented individual, even if none of what he's done is to your taste.

Definitely controversial!

Piggy backed his way to success on Stephen Fry's talent.

House is the most over rated tv show around.

And don't get me started on his "music".

Fry pretty much says the opposite in his autobiography.

And getting into the Boat Race crew is still no mean feat either!  You needed to nail that one aswell I think.

[The Camel]

I think William Hague is a real talent. Superb intellect. Much much better than Cameron as a theorist, but not really a leader as his image is a bit "specialist" for the wider public

Never lock Sheriff and I in a room to talk politiics

And brilliant parliamentarian.

At the dispatch box he's genuinely witty, scathing and yet thoughtful and diplomatic.

I think he'd be a great PM.

A really good politician imo.

[The Camel]

Lady Gaga.
Frank Lampard. (respeck)
Eminem.
Roy Hodgson.
John Wayne.
Adam Richman. (still a legend)
Chris Tarrant.
Anna Kournikova.
Jeff Stelling.
Tim Henman.
Peter Jones/Theo Paphitis.
Daniel Craig.

Tim Henman?!?!?!?

Delete immediately!

He was number 4 tennis player in the world ffs! Brilliant player, unlucky to be around when Sampras was so dominant, else he would have won Wimbledon. His volleying was an absolute joy to watch.

and the word legend is massively overused in these parts, but Jeff Stelling surely deserves that title.

Peter Jones I agree wholeheartedly with.

Massive clue for himself.

[Sheriff Fatman]

I think William Hague is a real talent. Superb intellect. Much much better than Cameron as a theorist, but not really a leader as his image is a bit "specialist" for the wider public

Never lock Sheriff and I in a room to talk politiics

LOL, I was about to say 'Newsflash: Tighty and I disagree on Tory politics' but just too slow.

By the way, the best advert I've ever seen for the Labour Party was sitting in the Cambridge Union watching the CU Conservative Society in action.  Hague is of that ilk.

Anyone with 'replaced by Iain Duncan Smith' on his CV cannot be deemed a great politician, IMO.

[The Camel]

I think William Hague is a real talent. Superb intellect. Much much better than Cameron as a theorist, but not really a leader as his image is a bit "specialist" for the wider public

Never lock Sheriff and I in a room to talk politiics

LOL, I was about to say 'Newsflash: Tighty and I disagree on Tory politics' but just too slow.

By the way, the best advert I've ever seen for the Labour Party was sitting in the Cambridge Union watching the CU Conservative Society in action.  Hague is of that ilk.

Anyone with 'replaced by Iain Duncan Smith' on his CV cannot be deemed a great politician, IMO.

Iain Duncan Smith however, was (and still is for all I know) a complete dick. As was Michael Howard.

Hague got his chance far too soon. Doubt he'll get another, but could have been a great PM.

[Sheriff Fatman]

I think William Hague is a real talent. Superb intellect. Much much better than Cameron as a theorist, but not really a leader as his image is a bit "specialist" for the wider public

Never lock Sheriff and I in a room to talk politiics

And brilliant parliamentarian.

At the dispatch box he's genuinely witty, scathing and yet thoughtful and diplomatic.

I think he'd be a great PM.

A really good politician imo.

See, I just don't see this at all.  Debating skills alone (and I'll concede, this is where he shines) do not make a great politician and the content of what he says is overshadowed by the fake accent.

A truly great politician can transcend party politics and at least be respected by supporters of other parties.  Hague couldn't even be guaranteed a warm welcome in his home town.

[Tal]

I think William Hague is a real talent. Superb intellect. Much much better than Cameron as a theorist, but not really a leader as his image is a bit "specialist" for the wider public

Never lock Sheriff and I in a room to talk politiics

LOL, I was about to say 'Newsflash: Tighty and I disagree on Tory politics' but just too slow.

By the way, the best advert I've ever seen for the Labour Party was sitting in the Cambridge Union watching the CU Conservative Society in action.  Hague is of that ilk.

Anyone with 'replaced by Iain Duncan Smith' on his CV cannot be deemed a great politician, IMO.

Don't judge people by the Peterhouse students! (Actually, think Portillo went there )

[RED-DOG]

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