NL25 Zoom Hand

[theprawnidentity]

Been grinding some zoom today seen as I don't have enough time to play an MTT / 180 sched.  All input welcome:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

rickyace123 (BTN): $23.80
petya1970 (SB): $28.13
eitn (BB): $6.58
faridos32 (UTG): $14.32
aleksei AA (MP): $57.93
tomsom87 (CO): $26.47

petya1970 posts SB $0.10, eitn posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) tomsom87 has    

fold, fold, tomsom87 raises to $0.75, rickyace123 calls $0.75, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players)      
tomsom87 bets $0.84, rickyace123 calls $0.84

Turn: ($3.53, 2 players)  
tomsom87 checks, rickyace123 bets $2.25, tomsom87 calls $2.25

River: ($8.03, 2 players)  
tomsom87 checks, rickyace123 bets $4.25, tomsom87

Villain is complete random (though FWIW i have 2 hands at 100/0/0).  Raise, Call, Shove, Fold?

[pleno1]

fold pre flop, call now.

[Nit Tendencies]

Fold pre for sure. Big leak.

[Nit Tendencies]

As for post flop, I think check/call the flop is better with this hand vs his btn peeling range. Plenty of gutters that can fire two at you.

As played, snap call, anything else would be bad.

[Rod]

I am probably going to sound silly here as everybody in this thread is far better than me but why is the raise bad pre flop? At these stakes quite often everybody will just fold and you will win the blinds. You will also get called and win the pot on the flop a lot of the time. I understand that if the ace comes it can cause a problem for our hand as we can be dominated and have reverse implied odds, but I thought it was profitable to play the hand from this position. Maybe this is something I need to improve on. Even more true in Zoom where everybody plays that bit tighter?

He probably does not have AK or AQ as he did not 3-bet you pre. Can he have an ace here often enough to make calling profitable. I would say that there is no value in raising as he can't call you with much worse, is that right? What hands can he be betting the turn and river like that with that we beat? If we don't make two pair on the river do we fold? What hands could have have had that we would not have beaten before that we now do beat? I can basically only see rag aces but he does not seem to have played it like a rag ace - would a rag ace not usually check the river?

fwiw I would call in game but not entirely sure I know why

[Honeybadger]

I disagree with those saying fold preflop. Tomsom is likely to play significantly better postflop than most 25NL players, and this should allow him to profitably take a few liberties/get out of line preflop. No harm in lagging it up from the CO.

[pleno1]

The lag it up with 75s or something that is on the borderline that way IMO

We have a had that we will likely at very best take a pot controlling line from the turn onwards and will unlikely have good equity when barreling if we choose to. Gimme q6blue

[titaniumbean]

3x > min pre in zoom?

[pleno1]

3x everywhere, min raise button and 2.5x cut off is optimal for all stakes to 500. At 500 min raising every position is debatable though.

[titaniumbean]

3x everywhere, min raise button and 2.5x cut off is optimal for all stakes to 500. At 500 min raising every position is debatable though.

surely with so many quick folds there's v good argument for tank minning every open lol. surely bad regs are just mashing the qfold button?

[pleno1]

i dont mind putting more chips in when i have the lead though.

[titaniumbean]

i dont mind putting more chips in when i have the lead though.

10x then :p   yeh just wondering as haven't played much zoom but kinda assumed that it would converge into small opening sizes until people stopped enjoying the fast rakeback button.

[pleno1]

i mean if you do what you said above then youre bb per 100 will be marginally higher but hourly lower, so they get the last laugh

[Young_gun]

fold pre flop, call now.

Really even 6 handed seems tight from CO im happy opening any A

[Honeybadger]

The lag it up with 75s or something that is on the borderline that way IMO

We have a had that we will likely at very best take a pot controlling line from the turn onwards and will unlikely have good equity when barreling if we choose to. Gimme q6blue

At 25NL I'd probably open 75s, Q6s and A7o from the CO. I wouldn't do this in tougher games though (I would need very specific players on the BTN and blinds to open this at 200NL or above). Yes I agree that with A7o you will very often be taking pot controlling lines postflop. But that is partly the point... you have better postflop skills than your opponents and one of these skills is the ability to implement pot controlling lines effectively. The chance of stealing the blinds coupled with you having the ability to make better decisions than your opponents postflop should allow you to make a small profit opening A7o from the CO in weak games like 25NL.

But whatever... it is only preflop