Ft of the 150 facing open jam

[paulhouk03]

We have 750k

Villain has 400k

Blinds are 12 24 with 3 k ante

9 handed

Villain hasn't got too ool but seems to loosen up in lp

Third hand on ft folded to him on button he open jams 400 k

What's our range?

[CHIPPYMAN]

JJ plus

[NoCardDSC]

Depends slightly on how many chips everyone else has, but generally calling it off with 77+ AJ + at a quick glance.

[paulhouk03]

Depends slightly on how many chips everyone else has, but generally calling it off with 77+ AJ + at a quick glance.

There isn't  huge pay jumps
Shortest is around 300 -400 which 3 players has around that much

[PathFinder]

99+ AQ+ would probably be my calling range here I think that should be easily above 50% of his open shoving range here

[pleno1]

JJ plus

absurdly tight. 88 is a call and we should probably call even wider. not folding aq and aj most likely a call.

[pleno1]

just play about with pokerstove or equilab to find out how well we actually do vs these kind of ranges.

[Nit Tendencies]

I think because of how much it destroys our utility value if we lose the pot, we should be calling quite tight. If we put ourselves in the mindset of the live player, what type of hands are thy going to open jam here and "risk their tournament life"?

I'm going to go for a controversial 88+, AK.

[pleno1]

i mean just cant see how aq oculd be a fold with the likelyness of him raise claling his absolute premiums and likely shipping hands we dominate so much. 88 and aq i can just about go for.

[lucky_scrote]

Need to know all the stacks really. We have an amazing stack obviously and if a load of other people have 400k or thereabouts you can make incredibly tight folds.

Let's assume we are 3/9 and have an average stack or so then I'm going with 77+ ATo+ A9s+ KQ+ which is pretty tight. Generally, someone open jamming this stack doesn't have the top part of his range included because it's a 16bb jam and most people will induce with really strong hands which is why I feel really happy when I have pairs on my hand.

[gouty]

Too many unknown factors here.

I think it's important on final tables to think about the standard of the players, and your position in relation to any v good players. I would be more inclined to flip with the better players and not the solid ones.

So in essence if I were up against Patrick or Dan in this spot I would use their own calling ranges and if it were Frankie I would use his.

[lucky_scrote]

Actually the range I gave isn't quite tight, it's about right. So if there are any factors that mean you need to be a bit tighter I prob just take out A9s and ATo but gl making me fold anything better than that.

[gouty]

Thinking about more. This is a huge inflection point because if we call and lose our tourney equity falls way more than it increases if we win.

On the other hand if we call light and win we are sending a pretty strong message right at the start of a ft. I know this sounds weird but I tend to fold 88 and call with AQ as we dominate more combos in this spot. I always seems to flipping when I call with 88/99 and even TT on ft open shoves or is that just bs?

[millidonk]

I see lots of the older generation jamming in these spots with the top of their range, I personally love shoving all value hands if I am him on the button, speshly with some youngish internet guy in the bb who will probs call you with any 8 in his hand let alone a marginal holding..

Surely we know something about villain? age? When you say loosen up has he just been opening as standard or open jamming?

Generic calling range of 88+ AQ+

[gouty]

I suppose the fact he is more active in position should mean he is competent which in turn widens our calling range, which is what pleno said. Like he would induce with the top of his range.

Looking forward to finding out OPs hand and what he did.