couple of spots vs the wizard himself...

[jgcblack]

Here's a couple of spots vs the great TL900 himself...
What would you do?

1st
We got dem  utg and open to £6 on a 1/1 playing 400 (we cover all) and get peeled 4 or 5 times.. hating life and looking forward to an Axx to just check, fold, gg.

FLOP
 

we cbet 15 and the wizard makes it 41 playing ~250........??



2nd
We have QJo in the SB and Tom has been noticeably more aggressive, as the three players on his left have tightened up. I'm certain he has adjusted to this and is now opening way wider than normal.

He opens MP £6, they fold and I 3bt SB to 26.  He peels and..

FLOP

We cbet 21, he calls

TURN


We cbet 38 and he sets us in.... we have 140 back........



1st - I'm obv ahead chunks and have a good draw when he has a flush... but there are so many turn cards I'm guessing on vs a competent player that it will be hard to get value down the streets imo.  He can definitely be messing around some % because he was otb and 2nd last to act to my raise so a few had already folded.
In my head I came up with too many hands that I beat or im in good shape vs, + plenty of clean ones when behind.. jist seemed an easy flop pile.....?

2nd - dont love pre.. but know he will peel the 3bt wider than most with position..
On this board there are so many hands were flipping or such vs.. a few were beating and there just dont seem to be many that have us crushed - I just don't see him with KJ/ AQ.......?

[pleno1]

hand 1 seems an easy call, whats the turn? leading the turn could be sexy.


jq seems like an easy fold oop in hand 2. id construct my range with hands that barrel well, so hands like j9s rather than jq, you can just call pre if u think hes opening wide.


flop seems ok, but check calling is going to be ok too, turn seems really bad though, not strong enough to bet, if were inducing floats otf we can now start checking, if not our check call range gonna be too weak as i assume were continuing with kx for value ott, so jq, aq are perfect c call hands ott.

[AlexMartin]

h1 aggro dynamic i like 85/c, default call.

h2 id start by checking flop, as played probably sigh folding, plenty better hands to defend with. actually fk him not folding h2, any hand he has played this way would tilt me too much.

[TL900]

any hand he has played this way would tilt me too much.

[jgcblack]

any hand he has played this way would tilt me too much.

he has AK some times... but also think it's a gd spot for a just call.......
However, when he has any xxdd or A5hh or AJo etc etc etc... I just think stack sizes are perfect for a shove here from him.

[NoCardDSC]

I think hand 1 is a relatively easy call, although there are a lot of bad turn cards for us, I just can't see how we can get it in and get TL to stack off light.

Hand 2, I don't mind just folding and probably do 9/10, don't see TL getting to ool here to often.

[Tal]

In hand two, you refer to your flop and turn bets as cbets. Does this mean you don't think you're ahead with second pair when you bet or is it just a figure of speech?

[david3103]

In hand two, you refer to your flop and turn bets as cbets. Does this mean you don't think you're ahead with second pair when you bet or is it just a figure of speech?

Do we not make cbets when we're ahead?

[Tal]

In hand two, you refer to your flop and turn bets as cbets. Does this mean you don't think you're ahead with second pair when you bet or is it just a figure of speech?

Do we not make cbets when we're ahead?

Maybe that's just my own language. I would only call it that when I haven't connected or haven't hit much of it. If I open with AJ and the flop comes Q83r or if when I cold 5bet with 52o and the flop comes AA6.

I'd otherwise just call it "bet"

[Royal Flush]

Are there no fish in these games?

[Tal]

Are there no fish in these games?

Good point, flushy. John, stop trying to target good players with mid-pairs!


In all seriousness, in hand one, the consensus seems to be call. But we also say we don't like a lot of turn cards. So, why don't we take what we have and jam now? We get all of his moves to fold and he only calls when ahead, sure, but he is betting all the scare cards and we will be folding when ahead a fair chunk of the time. There's money in the pot.

I'm not saying I'd do this, but I think there's merit in explaining why we shouldn't. Is there a stack size we would consider this play more profitable? Does it matter that we are worried about getting outplayed on later streets?

[Doobs]

Are there no fish in these games?

Too easy, but will resist.

Surely our range hits the scare cards Tal?  Him barrelling off on a paired board isn't so bad for us.  I don't really mind getting it in on the flop here, but given we bet call the flop, to him the scare cards look to smash our range and not his?  

Fold hand 2. I don't see why he is going to bluff somebody who is prone to soul reads.  

[stato_1]

Hand 1 I'd raise flop again. Pretty sure u would have a good go at justifying why we should 3b/5b flop with two red deuces and Tom knows this so seems like a good idea to at lest try the same with top set. Hand 2 check turn imo

[SuuPRlim]

click till the monies in hand 1 for me

[jgcblack]

Are there no fish in these games?

obv there are.. Tom and I are half a table apart and I believe we have a healthy respect for each others games.

We rarely battle needlessly, despite what this appears.

click till the monies in hand 1 for me

At the time I thought that clicking the flop would look too strong but that if I shoved I would keep my range as wide as possible while ensuring I never miss out on value from worse.
Say he has K10/ 66/  x or    type hands.

I guess people could make the argument that he never calls the shove without a flush, but seeing as many on here would believe I can sometime have a bluff or bare  then I can only assume he has to call off a little wider than most.



Hand 2
Like I said I'm aware its not the best hand to choose..

My thoughts on flop were - were very often ahead with no reason to check its fps.
Turn - We are still ahead a reasonable % but don't expect to get called again by worse.  If called we shutdown, however Tom has shown quite a few times his ability to hand read and has both taken off and spewed where the opponents range is either weak of capped and stack sizes are perfect for me to fold here.

When I block second set and doing this with KK doesn't make a lot of sense it seems like his range is way too weighted to draws/ bluffs and suchlike in my mind.
AK seems too thin... but it is vs me.



I'm surprised everyone instantly says fold on second hand......
I'm not saying I think you're wrong - I merely ask what is his range here?