Russell Brand vs. Jeremy Paxman

[redarmi]

Sod it lets all go to communism and keep shit equal 

Isn't the whole point of Brands comments that any solutions don't have to fit into the current paradigm and, indeed, it would be better if it didn't.  The fact that the corporatist capitalist system we currently have doesn't work doesn't mean we have to turn to communism (which has also failed).  Intelligent people understand there are more than one option.

[Woodsey]

Sod it lets all go to communism and keep shit equal 

Isn't the whole point of Brands comments that any solutions don't have to fit into the current paradigm and, indeed, it would be better if it didn't.  The fact that the corporatist capitalist system we currently have doesn't work doesn't mean we have to turn to communism (which has also failed).  Intelligent people understand there are more than one option.

Set up a party with a totally new philosophy then mate, your onto a winner by the sounds of it. 

[RED-DOG]

Why do some celebrities who are effing loaded love to spout off about equality?

There is more to equality than money. I think it's great that those with wealth or influence should care about those less fortunate. Calling someone's opinion "Spouting off" doesn't diminish it.

The real inequalities in this world are caused not by wealth, by discrimination on the grounds of race, colour or culture.

Equal rights and opportunities would be a great start.

[Woodsey]

Why do some celebrities who are effing loaded love to spout off about equality?

There is more to equality than money. I think it's great that those with wealth or influence should care about those less fortunate. Calling someone's opinion "Spouting off" doesn't diminish it.

The real inequalities in this world are caused not by wealth, by discrimination on the grounds of race, colour or culture.

Equal rights and opportunities would be a great start.

I get the impression he is doing it for his own profile rather than the greater good so I do this he his spouting off, I can't take him seriousy anyway as he is a clown. If he feels so passionately about what he is talking about he should set up a party with his perceived ideas of how we should be governed.

I think the wealthy do mostly in fact do a lot for the economies around the world and the greater good, they create jobs for tons of people and increase wealth as a result of it. Think about how many jobs Bill gates has created not only in the US and around the world for example, fair play to him, he deserves everything he gets.

[RED-DOG]

Why do some celebrities who are effing loaded love to spout off about equality?

There is more to equality than money. I think it's great that those with wealth or influence should care about those less fortunate. Calling someone's opinion "Spouting off" doesn't diminish it.

The real inequalities in this world are caused not by wealth, by discrimination on the grounds of race, colour or culture.

Equal rights and opportunities would be a great start.

I get the impression he is doing it for his own profile rather than the greater good so I do this he his spouting off, I can't take him seriousy anyway as he is a clown. If he feels so passionately about what he is talking about he should set up a party with his perceived ideas of how we should be governed.

I think the wealthy do mostly in fact do a lot for the economies around the world and the greater good, they create jobs for tons of people and increase wealth as a result of it. Think about how many jobs Bill gates has created not only in the US and around the world for example, fair play to him, he deserves everything he gets.

That's a much better argument than your original one.

You can debate quite well when your not spouting off. 

[theprawnidentity]

I get the impression he is doing it for his own profile rather than the greater good so I do this he his spouting off, I can't take him seriousy anyway as he is a clown. If he feels so passionately about what he is talking about he should set up a party with his perceived ideas of how we should be governed.

Am I missing something?  Wouldn't setting up a party that operates under the current system be exactly the opposite of what he's suggesting?

[Woodsey]

I get the impression he is doing it for his own profile rather than the greater good so I do this he his spouting off, I can't take him seriousy anyway as he is a clown. If he feels so passionately about what he is talking about he should set up a party with his perceived ideas of how we should be governed.

Am I missing something?  Wouldn't setting up a party that operates under the current system be exactly the opposite of what he's suggesting?

Ok maybe, its was a couple of days ago I watched it. I honestly don't see how they would change anything unless they would come in via the current method and go from there.

[DaveShoelace]

I actually find Brand very funny when he is improvising and doing interviews. However his body of work is basically shit films, drug addiction, knobbing birds, ruining the Olympics closing ceremony and harassing an elderly Manuel. Really irritates me that he is getting so much good press for this when he has contributed very little to society.

Not that other celebs do either, but he is down there with the Geordie Shore lot.

[theprawnidentity]

As limited as my understanding is, I think what he's suggesting is people reject the current system and we have a some kind of a revolution.  The whole thing seems incredibly far fetched and unlikely to me, but I think that's the plan.

shit films, drug addiction, knobbing birds

Forgetting Sarah Marshall and Get Him to the Greek tho....
Agree that drug addiction doesn't contribute much to society
Commendable

[Acidmouse]

I actually find Brand very funny when he is improvising and doing interviews. However his body of work is basically shit films, drug addiction, knobbing birds, ruining the Olympics closing ceremony and harassing an elderly Manuel. Really irritates me that he is getting so much good press for this when he has contributed very little to society.

Not that other celebs do either, but he is down there with the Geordie Shore lot.

I assume you know what he does for charity? or we basing his contribution to society based on the press you read? Not having a pop, just curious on how we can pigeon hole someone's worth to society based on what you read in the press, the commercial work they have done etc..

History is littered with characters who make you think more about the world we live in based on their incoherent rants. Why is something set in stone (the way we govern ourselves), I would have thought based on threads like this all across the internet he has contributed more then you ever could to society and free thinking.

[redarmi]

I actually find Brand very funny when he is improvising and doing interviews. However his body of work is basically shit films, drug addiction, knobbing birds, ruining the Olympics closing ceremony and harassing an elderly Manuel. Really irritates me that he is getting so much good press for this when he has contributed very little to society.

Not that other celebs do either, but he is down there with the Geordie Shore lot.

I assume you know what he does for charity? or we basing his contribution to society based on the press you read? Not having a pop, just curious on how we can pigeon hole someone's worth to society based on what you read in the press, the commercial work they have done etc..

History is littered with characters who make you think more about the world we live in based on their incoherent rants. Why is something set in stone (the way we govern ourselves), I would have thought based on threads like this all across the internet he has contributed more then you ever could to society and free thinking.

His submission to the home affairs select committee on drug addiction alone was a greater contribution to improving society than most of us make in a lifetime.  We can mock his style but ultimately he is trying to make a difference which is more than the apathetic majority ever try.  It is so easy to sit on the sidelines and poke fun but it is a much tougher, and more admirable, thing to put your head above the parapet and try to make a difference.

[DaveShoelace]

Yeah guilty, I knew nothing of his charity work or the drug select committee.

I'll get me coat.

[Doobs]

This is the Russell Brand who has uprooted to a lower tax country with more inequality.  In fact he is very much part of the Elite he talks about.  You think Paxman or Cameron will answer my calls?  

And all this bs about how the Government is creating an underclass just ticks me off too.  There has always been an underclass, but there lot has got a lot better over the last 100 years.  Cameron hasn't just created them in the last few years.

Anybody who really thinks that the people in power really wouldn't like to raise more taxes from Amazon and Russell Brand just doesn't get reality.  They would take every penny they realistic could at the minute, but unfortunately those big corporations and rich individuals find ways of moving their income around the World to places that they don't get taxed as much, or if at all.

This doesn't happen because the Government wants it to happen, that just makes no sense.  They have a big deficit and horrendous long term debts and big promised future liabilities to an ageing population. Russell sits there and thinks they haven't thought about trying to get more money from the likes of him and Google.  

We put someone else in they face the same problems we have now.  How do we get money from corporations that operate globally, and how we get money from people who will always be welcome to pay lower taxes somewhere else.  

In fact I'd say your future revolution is going to have a struggle to keep us where we are now.  It really is inevitable that the NHS and the ageing population are not going to become less of a burden on the State.  If Governments are struggling to raise enough tax now, our future revolutionaries are going to need a bit more about them than this..  

[Acidmouse]

Brand part of the elite? interesting..

The government could do alot to stop tax loopholes and the rich getting away with murder, but then again that would be like turkeys voting for Xmas every week. Won't happen as long as most of the crones stay on as non-exec and execs in most of those firms it would effect.

If all MP's were not allowed other jobs outside government we might actually see independent no biased decision making. Barely a week goes by where some legislation or contract is not given out by the MPs where one of them does not benefit from the deal. The NHS is the worst, look at all the MPs who work for companies affiliated to contracts with the NHS, it is amazing.

The bed we lie in now was formed under Thatcher, left to fester under Labour and come home to roost under the Coalition.

[AndrewT]

Those in power are going to do jack shit to change things as they don't fear the people. We're all too doped up on iPhones and X-Factor.