Huge turning point hand for me

[doubleup]

You've put in nearly a quarter of your stack - where are his implied odds? 

They are in the 15k I still have in front of me and the 35k mo still has in front of him. Thats another 50k possible, plus the 11600 already in pot and 3200 more to call for him whih closes the action. The more I think about this hand the more sure I am it must be a call.

So now he must hit a set and get multiway post-flop action to justify his call. Look at what happened in the hand - you bet the middle player folded and you would be unlikely to put all your stack in fearing the ace.  With these stack sizes this is a call of a raise but not a reraise.

[mystery721]

finally someone with some sense on how to play the game, doubleup your points are spot on!

[not gus]

So now he must hit a set and get multiway post-flop action to justify his call. Look at what happened in the hand - you bet the middle player folded and you would be unlikely to put all your stack in fearing the ace.  With these stack sizes this is a call of a raise but not a reraise.

with this particular flop of course you are right. But there are alot of flops with a 4 on them which do get all my money in. Q49, TJ4, whatever. So long as it comes no ace and a 4 he stands to win 28000 for 3200 which is almost 9-1. For a flop with a 4 and no A that is probably about right. Factor in the chance of getting some of Mo's chips aswell and surely that gives sufficient incentive, especially when you are on a rush anyway?

[doubleup]

So now he must hit a set and get multiway post-flop action to justify his call. Look at what happened in the hand - you bet the middle player folded and you would be unlikely to put all your stack in fearing the ace.  With these stack sizes this is a call of a raise but not a reraise.

with this particular flop of course you are right. But there are alot of flops with a 4 on them which do get all my money in. Q49, TJ4, whatever. So long as it comes no ace and a 4 he stands to win 28000 for 3200 which is almost 9-1. For a flop with a 4 and no A that is probably about right. Factor in the chance of getting some of Mo's chips aswell and surely that gives sufficient incentive, especially when you are on a rush anyway?

No Ace, No King and no what the other players got - I'm not saying that calling is a big mistake, but folding 44 in this situation certainly isn't.  I'd much rather use the chips to call some raises instead of one reraise.

[not gus]

Yeah, I hear ya. You make a pretty good case. I still call here myself, given the relatively low risk involved, but i am seeing the fold as less of a mistake than I did.

[JP]

Very bad fold. He's put 1600 in and won't put another 3200 in when he closes the action. He can't get into trouble as no offense not gus u have given away your hand so get in flop the 4 and get you or Mo to overplay. Early on I want -8s not the big pairs. They are the easiest NLH hands to play imo.

[Jamier-Host]

calling a raise preflop when u know ur a huge underdog is just bad poker no matter wot odds ur getting

So, you've raised to 10,000 UTG with AK.  Everyone folds to the big blind who pushes all in for 10,050 total, at the same time accidentally giving you a peek at his AA in his excitement.

You fold your AK for the extra 50 chips right?

[doubleup]

Very bad fold. He's put 1600 in and won't put another 3200 in when he closes the action. He can't get into trouble as no offense not gus u have given away your hand so get in flop the 4 and get you or Mo to overplay. Early on I want -8s not the big pairs. They are the easiest NLH hands to play imo.

Look at the hand - he flops a set and doesn't get paid.

[JP]

change the ace to a queen and he gets ALL of not gus' chips. You judge a play over a course of many hands not this one isolated hand.

[JungleCat03]

calling a raise preflop when u know ur a huge underdog is just bad poker no matter wot odds ur getting

So, you've raised to 10,000 UTG with AK.  Everyone folds to the big blind who pushes all in for 10,050 total, at the same time accidentally giving you a peek at his AA in his excitement.

You fold your AK for the extra 50 chips right?

If the blinds are 10 20 theres still plenty of time to limp AK UTG at least once. easy pass.

[Royal Flush]

calling a raise preflop when u know ur a huge underdog is just bad poker no matter wot odds ur getting

So, you've raised to 10,000 UTG with AK.  Everyone folds to the big blind who pushes all in for 10,050 total, at the same time accidentally giving you a peek at his AA in his excitement.

You fold your AK for the extra 50 chips right?

He passes AK UTG jamie, don't you read the forum?

[doubleup]

change the ace to a queen and he gets ALL of not gus' chips. You judge a play over a course of many hands not this one isolated hand.

I suppose you think the odds of hitting a set are about 3-1

[Royal Flush]

change the ace to a queen and he gets ALL of not gus' chips. You judge a play over a course of many hands not this one isolated hand.

I suppose you think the odds of hitting a set are about 3-1

I think he was considering the implied odds.

JP is one of the best players on the forum, i think he is aware of the odds!

[doubleup]

change the ace to a queen and he gets ALL of not gus' chips. You judge a play over a course of many hands not this one isolated hand.

I suppose you think the odds of hitting a set are about 3-1

I think he was considering the implied odds.

JP is one of the best players on the forum, i think he is aware of the odds!

Well he should have no difficulty working out the odds of hitting a set without an ace and a king then looking at how much the OP had left in front of him plus the pot.  When he does that he will realise that it was a marginal call/fold situation.

[Dubai]

Not sure why people even try to educate others on here. Dont bother JP.

If this is a marginal fold situation then im a Buddhist Monk.