England World Cup squad/11

[Jono3131]

Hart
Forster
Butland

Johnson
Walker
Cahilll
Jones
Smalling
Cole
Baines

Gerrard
Wilshere
Carrick
Barkley
Townsend
Ox
Walcott
Lallana

Rooney
Sturridge
Defoe
Carroll (Lambert if not fit)

[rfgqqabc]

not a chance in the world Gerrard and Lampard won't go, probably as the last tournament for each

Gerrard is captain FFS. Has to be first name down on any 22 Ray!

No he doesn't, he was Captain to get us there, doesn't mean he has to go.

They've had there chance, they've done nothing in a major tournament, they don't deserve to go to another big tournament so they can have a lovely time enjoying the end of there career.

Anyone tell me the last time they thought England as a whole team played better than average in a game in a major tournament ? It almost certainly wasn't in the last two tournaments we played, in between the one we failed to even qualify for!

Everybody says we can't win in Brazil, I agree, so why take players who won't be able to play in Euro 2018, what's the point in that ?

As an aside, how can Gerrard be on anyone's squad sheet ahead of Rooney ?

i kinda agree with you, if they didnt do anything in their prime why will they now?

if we go with 4-3-3 and need one front man I genuinely think its close between Rooney and Sturridge, but think most of the midfield 3 has to have Gerrard just because Wilshire and rest are not good enough. Sad state of affairs.

Gerrard over Wilshire is a sad state of affairs. Gerrards legs have gone.

Lallna was disappointing last night but his league form has seemed incredible, an absolute waste if he doesn't go if his form continues.

[horseplayer]

I would not start Sturridge

Two upfront will not work in South America especially if England are drawn in the "humid" group, if they are a small chance of going far reduces to looking at a potential group exit.

England struggle enough as it is to get enough of the ball when they have a numeric midfield advantage let alone when they dont

[TL900]

Hart
Forster
Green

Baines
Cole
Jones
Cahill
Jagielka/Lescott dunno why Jagielka just makes me feel edgy
Johnson
Dawson

Gerrard
Lampard
Milner
Ox
Townsend
Walcott
Wilshere
Lallana

Rooney
Sturridge
Defoe
Carroll

Think Terry coming back would be one of the best things for this team. Also think Jones is an absolute monster and should definitely start, not sure which position though.

[Acidmouse]

Delph at Villa is currently showing what he can do now the ACL injury is distance memory. Solid and dependable I think he has a shout at playing himself into the squad come next year. 

[TightEnd]

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! at a couple of his definites

[mondatoo]

I thought Lallana played well last night, just me ?

How did Phil McNulty come to 8/10 for Hart's performance, he made another huge mistake, just got away with it this time. He did make a couple of good saves but to give him 8/10 would suggest he put in a 10/10 performance without the mistake. Walker was abysmal, a minus number would've been fair.

[aaron1867]

I agree Tom's thoughts, John Terry is such a better option than what we have now & definitely unsure of Phil Jones' position, hopefully he does start some games. However it's no good wondering what the tem is, because if we are drawn in a terrible group, we need a chuffing miracle.

Pot 1:

Brazil
Spain
Germany
Argentina
Colombia
Belgium
Switzerland
Uruguay

Pot 2:

Holland
Italy
England
Portugal
Greece
Bosnia
Croatia
Russia

Pot 3:

France
Chile
Ecuador
Nigeria
Cameroon
Ivory Coast
Algeria
Ghana

Pot 4:

Japan
Australia
Iran
South Korea
Costa Rica
USA
Mexico
Honduras

Pot 3 looks a lot stronger than usual & still a 2/3 that can give us a good game in pot 4.

Apparent group of death:

Spain, England, Chile, Usa.

Ideal group:

Swiss, England, Algeria, Honduras

[Dubai]

Might as well get the ball rolling on bets

I want

Columbia in match bet v England 5/4
Uruguay in match bet v England 11/8
Chile in match bet v England 7/4

Match bets are who goes furthest and same round elimination= a push

England to be knocked out in group stages 3/1

And il lay England to win world cup @28/1 upto 1k in total.

Standard rules, escrow needed if don't know/haven't had bets/u have no vouch- otherwise credit accepted

[pleno1]

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! at a couple of his definites

all seem definites except perhaps walker.

[aaron1867]

Walker will definitely be going.

[Junior Senior]

He should be looking at Dawson IMO as back up centre half. Jones and Smalling not good enough in that position. Wouldnt even have smalling helping load the bags on the plane in case he fucked that up.  Jones could go as a utility man i suppose.

Also pisses me off how overlooked defoe is. Man scores goals when he gets given the chance and should be thrown on more liberally. Admittedly though he is better in a 442 which we could switch to against certain oppositions in certain situations.

Id go.

Hart
Forster
Butland

Cahill
Jagielka
Dawson
G. Johnson
Walker
Cole
Baines
Jones

Wilshere
Gerrard
Lampard
Townsend
Walcott
Carrick
Lallana
Milner

Rooney
Sturridge
Welbeck
Defoe

First eleven would be in a 4-2-3-1
Hart
Walker
Cole
Cahill
Jagielka
Carrick
Gerrard
Townsend
Rooney
Walcott
Sturridge

[pleno1]

Defoe doesnt get a game in a team with a stirker who has scored 1 goal in open play all season. He hasnt been a regular for 5 seasons and will not be close in the next world cup, i wouldnt go close.

[The Squid]

Scraping the bottom of the barrel with Defoe. need the Ox or Walcott to come good at Arsenal.

[Junior Senior]

Walcott in my midfielders in squad. Not keen on ox.