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TL900
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might be terrible, i duno?
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http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/5762304_FFE2EC2CE9
readless, vllian got seemingly reggy stats over a tiny sample but i wouldnt read into it
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I know we lose the hand ( so woulda cost us more this time) but is pre flop and cbet a tad too small and would be thinking more like $1.50 pre, $2.25 cb?
Obv could nit fold the turn as the ace hits you so dont mind the call and solid fold otr imo
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could be a nice fold, exploitable though obv
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Quote from: Eso Kral on November 07, 2013, 05:25:13 PM
I know we lose the hand ( so woulda cost us more this time) but is pre flop and cbet a tad too small and would be thinking more like $1.50 pre, $2.25 cb?
i think 2.5x in the CO is fine especially vs weak buttons which most of the players at 50nl will be. Def agree on $2-$2.25 otf tho, tourney fish init
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Quote from: TL900 on November 07, 2013, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: Eso Kral on November 07, 2013, 05:25:13 PM
I know we lose the hand ( so woulda cost us more this time) but is pre flop and cbet a tad too small and would be thinking more like $1.50 pre, $2.25 cb?
i think 2.5x in the CO is fine especially vs weak buttons which most of the players at 50nl will be. Def agree on $2-$2.25 otf tho, tourney fish init
Ha thats exactly what I was thinking (obv not the fish part :p) but tourney sizing
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Why are we calling the raise on flop and calling turn if we're folding river?
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Quote from: david3103 on November 08, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
Why are we calling the raise on flop and calling turn if we're folding river?
Hoping he gives up river I imagine.
He only really ever has 44 or 88 that beats us and even then I can't see too many people check raising a set on a flop that dry as they are just going to kill their action so often. Unless he knows you are coming along for the ride regardless? Readless I just can't see me folding tbh, we beat too much.
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I definitely can't see me folding in game, but looking at it obv just screams 44 or 88, but that is literally all the only value hands he can have right?
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JT makes sense too. hand is wp in a vaccuum imo
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would be the bottom of my calling range otr, and as with most of the bottom of your range its usually not a nice-easy call. if he was c raising some kind of bdfd or something funy then the A gives him perhaps the perceived chance of going a little bit lairy.
He also called from the sb so may not even have 44 or jt in his range, both are folds pre imo, but obv its 50nl.
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Quote from: jjandellis on November 08, 2013, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on November 08, 2013, 02:46:11 PM
JT makes sense too
. hand is wp in a vaccuum imo
How come? Why would he check raise a gutshot here?
a bluff with at least some equity.
Think its a good fold. I played a fair bit of 50nl zoom earlier this year and villains will never be folding any pocket pair pre here to a single raise. As Pleno says its the bottom of your river calling range but they show up with bottom/middle set so much here, unless you have history or particular read on villain then fold is probably good. Although doubt I ever fold in game as I am a river station.
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Quote from: BulldozerD on November 08, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: jjandellis on November 08, 2013, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on November 08, 2013, 02:46:11 PM
JT makes sense too
. hand is wp in a vaccuum imo
How come? Why would he check raise a gutshot here?
a bluff with at least some equity.
Think its a good fold. I played a fair bit of 50nl zoom earlier this year and villains will never be folding any pocket pair pre here to a single raise. As Pleno says its the bottom of your river calling range but they show up with bottom/middle set so much here, unless you have history or particular read on villain then fold is probably good. Although doubt I ever fold in game as I am a river station.
hmmm I think youd be surprised, I know about 15 guys who play nl50 (lol sample size obv) and abotu 10 of them follow a chart pre flop, which will almost certainly say fold 44, jt pre flop.
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Quote from: pleno1 on November 08, 2013, 03:59:11 PM
I know about 15 guys who play nl50 (lol sample size obv) and abotu 10 of them follow a chart
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November 08, 2013, 04:18:44 PM »
here is what you can expect
Defending range: 66+, A9s+, A5s-A2s, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+ (20%, #270)
Blue and Red is 3bet fold and 5bet respectively.
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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So they are 5betting AQo and flatting AQs?
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