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« on: November 11, 2013, 03:19:11 PM »

So the game is 5/5 in Blackpool. The night started with this game as 2/2 but with approximately 20k being on the table it was deemed wise to increase the stakes. The villain in the hand is Andreas. My info on him was he was a 5/10, 10/20 PLO player at this moment in time. When I first joined a cash game that night he was sat playing Chinese with Mitch, and had bought in deep, so he was presumed decent. I bought in for 500, so not an obvious i want to play big amount.

Andreas probably sees me as a standard younger guy, not too many hands of note although he could well have seen me make a very thin river bet with AA on J96K2, when the flopped flush draw completed. I was losing earlier on in the night and have topped up since, but fairly sneakily so he may not know I'm in ~1500.

We look down at red aces utg +3, the straddle is on and a recreational player has limped (I'm not 100% sure he is here for shits and giggles but it seems likely) . I make it £50. Andreas flats fairly quickly, and the limper calls.

The flop comes   and it checks to us. We bet 85 and Andreas makes it 215.

Turn   Andreas bets 345 *(maybe 315 again actually) We call.

River   Andreas checks after 10 seconds maybe.

We have ~865 back. Checks or bets?

He hadn't really been in a 3betty mood, I'd 3bet him once and check folded kq7 with the fishhooks. I'd been fairly quiet at the table as it was playing fairly large.
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 03:27:13 PM »

Think its a very well played hand and would be very happy going all in on this river.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2013, 04:45:53 PM »

Wager all betting tokens?
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 05:04:58 PM »

jam for sure
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 05:55:55 PM »

leave yourself 10 behind put all the rest in and say i dont want to go all in in case i lose and i need this for my taxi home
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 06:55:11 PM »

My new favourite is moving in for all but one chip, which we then declare is so that we can lock our seat while we visit the atm.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 08:03:17 PM »

yeh def jam.

id expect him to jam everything better than aces otr with this spr and if he views you as tight/the game being big for you he might expect you to check back overpairs on the river.

basically no reason to check vs your perceived range imo.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 08:10:51 PM »

75 sometimes just flicks it in for the lols and sometimes induce, usually will have missed fd that will be folding or air rather than a sdv hand, perhaos jxdd we lose value from.
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 01:05:54 AM »

All in or £200
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 01:44:56 AM »

All in on the turn for me. Very happy jamming the river once checked to.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 01:53:38 AM »

why would we jam turn? hes either got a fd or us beat or will most likely fold a hand that thought ti was betting for value like AT
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2013, 02:34:20 AM »

What does he play like/ his image at table?
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 02:43:41 AM »

Cos he has 850 behind the guy bets 350 or near enough, so u get value from all hands you can beat if he calls, and there is way more that you beat than you don't. What do u think he has ? are you folding to a shove on this same river card? If not then why not jam turn?. The board texture gives the villain loads of combo draws, so the 4 is a great card for us imo. Pay to see the river no?

And if you think you are beat (i.e u think he's flopped a set then you would not be calling 350£ to hit 2 outs).
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 03:05:40 AM »

Don't think its so clear cut tbh. I mean we have the best hand very often, seems like he should bet if he's beating AA as a decent chunk of your range will be relative mid-strength and prolly chk-back.

However we don't really rep any air except 78/79/89 of diamonds IDK if we call naked NFD OTT seems unlikely so really IDK what we are expecting to get called by that isn't JT or maybe AJdd. couple this with the possibliity he's checking to induce a Vbet from us thinking we will prolly shove QQ-AA here (having seen the earlier hand) but might very well fold to a jam (this is reasonably unlikely but not without consideration)

So I think we should consider checking back... as for betting, I feel if we did have 78/79/89 diamonds then we'd prolly be all-in, I think this will prolly get him off a hand like Tx but i think in this vacuum if we're gonnna bet £225 is the way to go, try get some frustrated hero's from something. FYL if he goes all-in though.

The more I think about this the more I think we should check back, obviously if this was a regular game with an aggressive dynamic where you'd wanna bluff here ever then we need to be shipping ACES here (I dont think you would be bluffing here ever, or he thinks you're bluffing here ever), but it's a 5/5 9handed game and I don't think trying to level the other good players in marginal spots is the way to make money, speshly when you're gonna be playing about 200 hands in total against him.

chk back>£225>>>>>>>>>Jam for me
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 03:06:00 AM »

Also was 50 std pre or just went big here?
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