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Question: How do people feel about this?
I think it's fine
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2014, 07:18:33 PM »

Its fine as long as seats can be transferred. I actually like it as i can go home and say to the wife that my prize came with a free seat and the comp is this coming weekend so you know that lunch with your Mum etc etc.... Needs to be transferable though in case you cant fob off your in laws as easily as i can

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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2014, 07:40:22 PM »

I think u should be able to take the money value, because as myself I don't get to dtd often 
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2014, 02:39:32 AM »

Must say it doesn't bother me massively and I can definitely see why DTD are doing it BUT it definitely has stopped me playing a couple of events at DTD in the past couple of weeks.  I was in Derby for a few days over Xmas and played the deepstack and whilst i was there I noticed a few smaller events with fairly big prizepools but also with gteeds tickets for the UKPC.  I know I definitely can't play UKPC as it clashes with my daughters bday and I will be in States. Obviously I am a fairly unique case but it did make me think "meh I won't play then" and there must have been people in Notts at Xmas that had similar thoughts.  I think in this case it represented over 10% of the gtee which seemed a fair whack to me but it did mean I only played the deepsatck whereas I might have been inclined to play a few other events too.
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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2014, 03:33:31 AM »

I personally think it's a very good thing - for players and the Business which goes towards a positive cycle. The idea is one of Dtd's best to date for this reason IMO.

Sunday was a prime example. £20k guaranteed for a £100 - 1 day event - fantastic tourney and prizepool for a rec player like me. The tourney generated £17.8k, but - whereas before this may discourage dtd to put it on again, this pool, although not ideal, is a lot more manageable for them... before, £2.2k would walk out of the door spread thinly across many players whereas now it's reinvested via 4 seats into a tourney which crucially is already guaranteed, thus spreading their pain and reducing risk as these 4 seats count towards that guarantee. It's just good business and in turn keeps nice comps in the calendar for us.

The tourney progression also helps promote the grass roots player pool growth too. I am a perfect example for this...Binked a seat on Sun (thin), hence why I've thought about this enough to respond... Basically a £2.8k win and I still cannot justify a future entry to a £550 comp to my bank roll conscience or indeed the wife. Whereas - instead, I still brought home a chunky £2.25k for a nights play and now have a guilt free shot at the bigger event. These are where I want to be playing longer term and can't help but feel this assists more than hinders this plan and can only assume it will be the same for many others. Interestingly the Deepstack is also guaranteeing seats into the sky £1k - where could the dream take me... Smiley thanks dtd!

The only slightly negative thing that I would say (for balance) is as these are forced - to ensure the original tourneys can categorically be distinguished from satellites and to avoid it becoming a deterrent on this basis, I would love to see seat validity for a minimum of three months. I was told I need to use mine in Feb and although I was told I can use it towards the sky 1k directly too, meaning some flexibility is already there, it just could be better as again for someone a nit like me, I can't justify the sky outlay, meaning due to football and other personal commitments, my pre arranged engagements do need to change for me to accommodate the feb Deepstack  - poor me, I know!
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2014, 04:10:44 AM »

Perhaps this is an idea - if a player uses his winnings from one of these "feeders" tournaments to buy in to the main event, he gets a rake free seat?

But not compulsory.

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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 10:33:03 AM »

Not played at DTD for a while so not up to speed on their regular comps and guarantees but the OP title suggests that seats are being deducted from existing prizepools/guarantees. I am note sure this is the case? Would an Incredible £100 be guaranteed at £20k without the seats being included?

My impression of these comps is that the guarantees are being increased or maintained by the prospect of winning one of these seats and the way that the comps are advertised is not misleading in my opinion. This is probably are more sustainable way for DTD to keep guarantees high than cold hard cash when the overlays start happening.
As an example I guess the comps could be advertised as either ~£17.8k plus 4 added £550 seats or £20k guaranteed (including 4 £550 seats) - both are as broad as they are long.

Satellites/Tokens Generally
Personally I get confused with all the sats/tokens etc and as I can only make the occasional comp I never bother playing satellites well in advance as I usually make last minute decisions to play and would hate to win a seat that expires. As an aside I think having tournaments at set buyins that are multiples of each other may be a good way of structuring Satellites etc. So if regular bigger tourney buyins were (say):
£1,000 + £100
£500 + £50
£250 + £25
£125 + £12.50

Players who satellite into bigger events would have choice to play intermediate tournaments on their satellite wins or save up tokens to play the bigger events. This could encourage satellite players to build up tourney credits on a regular basis through the online sats and encourage more regular participation. Just a thought that would suit me better that's all.
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2014, 01:45:25 PM »

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Read the comments, thank you - just to be clear on this and I will speak to Nicola to make it clearer on the schedule,

1. The seats won have no expiry

2. £550 seats can be used for any £550 event in the future (Deepstack, Big Game, Sky £500 Side events) OR used as part payment for a higher buy-in event

3. £1100 seats can be used for any £1100 event in the future (eg. Sky, UKIPT £1M, Monte Carlo)

4. The seats are included in the GTE, so in effect when we miss the GTE, we are adding them, such as the Incredible 100 last Sunday, we added all 4 seats to the prizepool.

We advertise as "10 x Sky Poker £1100 Seats" so that we can promote the next event (very important when you do so many major events), and to be honest, 95% of seat winners have used for the next available event and I would expect this to continue.

So far, so good, numbers have increased in the comps and players have given me very positive feedback.  

The idea to increasing GTE's and including seats into our major events came from club members suggestions - like most of the things we do at DTD.

On a personal note. our GTE's at all buy-ins continue to be at what Rob refers to as 'nosebleed level', anything that gets NEW players into these events rather than just our regular sat winners and direct buy-ins has to be good for the game.

As always, if anyone wants to discuss this will me, feel free to talk to me at the Club.

Cheers Aces
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2014, 02:00:48 PM »

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Read the comments, thank you - just to be clear on this,

1. The seats won have no expiry

2. £550 seats can be used for any £550 event in the future (Deepstack, Big Game, Sky £500 Side events) OR used as part payment for a higher buy-in event

3. £1100 seats can be used for any £1100 event (eg. Sky, UKIPT £1M, Monte Carlo)

4. The seats are included in the GTE, so in effect when we miss the GTE, we are adding them, such as the Incredible 100 last Sunday, we added all 4 seats to the prizepool.

We advertise as "10 x Sky Poker £1100 Seats" so that we can promote the next event (very important when you do so many major events), and to be honest, 95% of seat winners have used for the next available event and I would expect this to continue.

So far, so good, numbers have increased in the comps and players have given me very positive feedback. To be fair, increasing GTE's and including seats for our major events was from our members suggestions - not actually a DTD idea, although it will work well for the club if it continues to be successful. Our GTE's at all buy-ins continue to be at what Rob refers to as 'nosebleed level', anything that get NEW players into these rather than just our regular sat winners and direct buy-ins has to help the ecology of our major events.


Cheers Aces

Fwiw - if I had realised this I would definitely have played a few more events over Xmas.  Maybe make it a bit clearer as for a non reg there like me it was literally a case of seeing the poster, thinking that looks like a good event and then seeing the seats gteed and realising I couldn't play the subsequent event so deciding against it.
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2014, 06:57:33 PM »

Personally I think this is a great idea that serves two masters. From DTDs viewpoint it helps ease the pain of overlays and any overlay money in smaller comps walking out the door. From the rec players point of view especially those who would love to play the bigger comps it's a no brainer IMHO. A guy wins £3000 flat and with the transparency of money won he goes home with the cash. The wife/girlfriend will be pleased and could easily find a home for it. He would like to keep £500 back for a d/s however has never paid more than say £25 she's gonna flip. You go home with £2500 shes still happy plus youre free rolling a £500 comp the wife's happy/you're happy.

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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2014, 11:29:11 AM »

Yes I agree with the majority here, good idea for both parties, it gets extra players in the bigger comps, and gives those who wouldnt have bought in direct or even tried satellites a chance to play.  

Also, am I right in thinking that its not actually a full £550 deducted from the winning seats prize?  The way I understand it the seats are deducted from the prizepool, before payouts are worked out, meaning in effect all the cash payouts have reduced by a smaller amount.  ie, if 1st place got paid 25% of the total prizepool, in effect the winner only has 25% of £550 x number of seats (137.50 x 2 seats) deducted, so really gets a seat for £275.

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2014, 01:49:35 PM »

While the seats have no expiry ,...it's A great idea it means for me for instance if I won 2k in a comp I wouldn't use £500 of it for a deepstack it would be swallowed up by all sorts
But if it was £1500 plus a £500 seat it's win win cos I would have to play a tourney I want to play but wouldn't buy into directly.
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2014, 11:52:40 AM »

My only real issue with it is the way it is worded

For example 20k gtd prize pool (including 4x 550 seats to tournament X)

Is actually a 17.8k gtd prize pool with a bonus of 4x 550 seats to the top 4 finishers

I fully understand why it is worded that way, to attract players to the larger gtd figure, but like most people clicking on the "I accept" button for t&c's, you need to look a little deeper to see the full explanation.

Regardless of that though, still love dtd, wish i lived closer and could afford to play more, and the prizepools, regardless of added OR included seats, offer the best value and poker experience in the UK imo.
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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2014, 12:18:41 PM »

Played the XXXL yesterday . Yes I did n luck box the comp . Flicked in £55 (+reload) n get over £1300 with seats . Bargain ! Well done DTD, u always get my support
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2014, 01:58:05 PM »

If it is clearly advertised then I cannot see a problem.
What I would like to see (for the protection of overlays) is added money to make up the guarantee added as tournament pounds on deposit for future live or online tourneys. So Prizepools are honoured but the overlay stays in the club.
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