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« on: February 16, 2014, 08:48:08 AM »

Incredible 100 last night. 24 left, 21 paid. average is ~250k. blinds are 6000-12000 a1000. I have 167k. We are 8 handed. I have been at the table for 5-10 minutes so only seen two hands. All table are unknown except one chap to my immediate left who i know. Villain in this hand is complete unknown to me, between 26-35 years of age.

I am UTG +1 with  .

I make it 26k

All folds to BB who has ~360k. He thinks and stares at me for about 30 secs, he plays with his chips for a a bit then scruffily makes it about 70k with a bit of a splash.

Not sure on prizes but min cash probs about 250-400. Circa 8k up top. I am in for full allocation so outlay is £315.

Wwyd?
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 10:10:17 AM »

You just have to go with it.  You have 14 bigs and jacks.  This small bet was presumably to induce?  If you are uncomfortable here, then I think you should consider starting shoving your entire range?  This hand is going to be pretty high up in your raising range here, so it shouldn't be in your raise folding part of it.

I am crap at tells.  Other than his bet size, this all looks like a weak hand to me.  Maybe someone who plays live more often than once a blue moon can advise better.

 
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 10:33:40 AM »

Think I just open shove here preflop, but as played I dont think you can fold. Get it in.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 10:52:03 AM »

if you are raise folding this hand with this stack and this situation you may as well just fold it pre
open jamming seems best though
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 11:09:05 AM »

I think its a hell of a lot closer than everyone else seems too but maybe im just a nit 
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 11:19:59 AM »

I think I'm shoving with less than 10 effective BBs. But probably not too much wrong with leading out small to then shove against a re-raise. Definitely not folding though.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 11:23:49 AM »

I get it in pre, it's an obv jam if you think he may be capable of exploiting the bubble situation.

As played I sigh get it in
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2014, 11:39:59 AM »

Online if I'm at a table full of unknowns and I've got JJ utg 14bb's then I'm opening instead of jamming purely for the inducing factor. If I'm at a table full of regs or people I play with a lot I usually just jam with less than 15bb's because it's profitable to do so with a nash range (say 33+ JTs+) as long as you include your strong hands too. Normally I induce though Cheesy.

This spot is fine to get it in, sure some people induce here with strong hands but some people also don't know what they are doing and 3bet here to 70k instead of jamming with 99 AQ AK hands.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 12:09:31 PM »

Great responses so far. Just to be clear i wasnt uncomfortable here at all I just wanted to get views as really playing it over on drive home. I think in this spot there is a case to raise fold as i am unknown to table, i have a mid to average stack that is in danger. I am UTG+1 and raising after on only my third hand at the table.  i am being played back at by BB which isnt standard re-steal play against an ep opener. Yes he may be exploiting bubble but why not wait until he has been opened on in late position?

I raised to 26k as felt i wouldnt be called by worse with this stack in this situation if i shoved. I am utg+1 so feasibly two stacks could go to war behind and i could fold.

On reflection why would hus range be anything other than AK, maybe AQ and 10-10+ ?

Feels alot closer than i initially thought.

I actually 4 bet jammed and pretty much beat him into the pot. Wondered if i should have given it more thought?

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2014, 12:17:36 PM »

70k looks ridiculously strong, puke.

I'd end up going allin and kicking myself when he just has Kings
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2014, 12:51:10 PM »

I'm pretty sure i minraise (26 is cool) and I think I find a fold although it'd depend on looking at the dude too tbh. He looks so strong and we might even be 15/24 after folding.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2014, 01:13:35 PM »

Good luck
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 01:16:15 PM »

I'm pretty sure i minraise (26 is cool) and I think I find a fold although it'd depend on looking at the dude too tbh. He looks so strong and we might even be 15/24 after folding.

Didnt case stacks in the room but reckon i would be about that ballpark. I am playing for the win obv but still dont wanna get it in bad vs a guys range on the almost bubble. I know i could have grinded to a min cash if i really had to.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 01:17:06 PM »

Good luck

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 01:20:10 PM »


As in I'm not folding!
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