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« Reply #135 on: February 21, 2014, 12:21:25 PM »

Agree with posters above, same IP address is totally irrelevant when it comes to collusion. Most of us chat on fb/ have skype groups open while we play and can chat just as easily as if they were in the same room.

Really? What do you chat about?


Dont think i conveyed my point as well as i could have. Obviously it is rare to play on the same table as mates, so problems dont often arise.
My point in the above post was, like stato and co made, i have played in the same sats and tournys as mates/ dad before, sometimes in the same house and havent colluded.
Also, with skype, facebook and mobiles now, no matter where you are if you want to collude then there is no real way of preventing it, so IP address here, for me shouldnt be a dominating factor, as it is just as easy to cheat, or collude if you wanted to, wherever you are playing
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« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2014, 12:21:57 PM »

I've played satellites on the same IP address as possibly up to four or five people hundreds of times. Never colluded. Absolute million iPoker have any proof collusion occurred imo. They could ban people from the site without proof as they dont need it right? But to confiscate a prize worth £1100 I'd imagine they'd want to have pretty decent proof for that

Tis a joke that IPoker allow players in the same tournament from the same IP Address

ftp, starts etc also allow this keef

Well.

I didn't know that.

Very surprised.
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« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2014, 12:28:16 PM »

I'm assuming that Ipoker will provide the two players what evidence it has against them. I would also suspect that they have already had this. They won't disqualify and ban them & not explain why.



Wrong on all accounts sir.
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« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2014, 12:31:54 PM »

I'm assuming that Ipoker will provide the two players what evidence it has against them. I would also suspect that they have already had this. They won't disqualify and ban them & not explain why.



Casinos can ..... Are they any different ?
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« Reply #139 on: February 21, 2014, 12:38:49 PM »

From personal experience,

I was banned from a site for suspected collusion (not ipoker) 2 years ago with no evidence provided by this site.

I asked them for this and they were not forthcoming until I really kicked up a fuss. I was sent hand histories and asked to explain my play. The suspected collusion was with a Russian guy who apparently I had played with 12 times over the course of a month? I had never spoke to this guy and was totally oblivious to who he was. Eventually I was able to prove my innocence and was reinstated back to the site, not that I ever played another hand on there.

Hope you do get that explanation/ the chance to put across your thoughts. You certainly should be able to.
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« Reply #140 on: February 21, 2014, 12:41:37 PM »

I'm assuming that Ipoker will provide the two players what evidence it has against them. I would also suspect that they have already had this. They won't disqualify and ban them & not explain why.



Wrong on all accounts sir.
Then thats very bad indeed! Hopefully you'll be pushing for this asap as that isnt fair. You cant prove your innocence if you dont know what you're being accused of. Good luck with ipoker!
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« Reply #141 on: February 21, 2014, 12:42:30 PM »

I've played satellites on the same IP address as possibly up to four or five people hundreds of times. Never colluded. Absolute million iPoker have any proof collusion occurred imo. They could ban people from the site without proof as they dont need it right? But to confiscate a prize worth £1100 I'd imagine they'd want to have pretty decent proof for that

Tis a joke that IPoker allow players in the same tournament from the same IP Address

When setting up tourneys on iPoker there is a box to tick on the request form 'allow players from same IP'. When setting up tourneys for APAT I have ticked this, as know we have a lot of members who are couples and both want to play in our leagues etc.

It's up to each skin if they allow this or not on a tourney by tourney basis. Perhaps for sats it would be better if it wasn't allowed. However, I don't think it really makes a difference. It's just as easy to share info when you're not sat together (skype, phone, etc.).
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« Reply #142 on: February 21, 2014, 01:00:23 PM »

Does DtD still supply and allow use of laptops/tablets in the club obviously they are going to want the sharing of ip if this is the case so people in the club can boost numbers online for sats
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« Reply #143 on: February 21, 2014, 01:28:51 PM »

Does DtD still supply and allow use of laptops/tablets in the club obviously they are going to want the sharing of ip if this is the case so people in the club can boost numbers online for sats


They don't provide computers, but you can use their wifi with your own laptop.
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« Reply #144 on: February 21, 2014, 01:32:29 PM »

This whole thing is a mess that's for sure.

I always thought you couldn't play on the same IP as someone else, proves how much I know.
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« Reply #145 on: February 21, 2014, 01:45:21 PM »

This whole thing is a mess that's for sure.

I always thought you couldn't play on the same IP as someone else, proves how much I know.

In cash games that is certainly true. In SNGs I think that is the case also.

For MTTs it is permitted.
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« Reply #146 on: February 21, 2014, 01:46:51 PM »

No point in barring same ip use  as people will just use a proxy anyway
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« Reply #147 on: February 21, 2014, 02:02:37 PM »

This is why the poker industry in general needs a central governing body or ombudsman to police and regulate it.  Not just to protect the players but to protect the card rooms, casinos and online sites from denigration and ill practices

I have no view in what’s alleged here but hope both Dave and Guy are treated in a fair and just manner.
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« Reply #148 on: February 21, 2014, 02:03:15 PM »

No point in barring same ip use  as people will just use a proxy anyway
and mobile broadband, cheap and available everywhere now with great reception in most places
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« Reply #149 on: February 21, 2014, 02:05:32 PM »

I've played satellites on the same IP address as possibly up to four or five people hundreds of times. Never colluded. Absolute million iPoker have any proof collusion occurred imo. They could ban people from the site without proof as they dont need it right? But to confiscate a prize worth £1100 I'd imagine they'd want to have pretty decent proof for that

Tis a joke that IPoker allow players in the same tournament from the same IP Address

When setting up tourneys on iPoker there is a box to tick on the request form 'allow players from same IP'. When setting up tourneys for APAT I have ticked this, as know we have a lot of members who are couples and both want to play in our leagues etc.

It's up to each skin if they allow this or not on a tourney by tourney basis. Perhaps for sats it would be better if it wasn't allowed. However, I don't think it really makes a difference. It's just as easy to share info when you're not sat together (skype, phone, etc.).

So logically it cant be same the ip address in this case......
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