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« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2014, 07:03:30 PM »

think everytime i bubble a sat i'll start a thread 'exposing people'lol
theres dodgy play in every sat, why are people so suprised? i see it most times i play but not just online but live too. im not sayin its right to accept open collusion but theres times when maybe ive made a fold when its a call, do we just all lie to play it safe, chip dumping is a little different in as much as its far to obvious. but ive seen these threads before and nothing done but soon as its a bigger sat suddenly its worth dealing with

i think it would be good to see the cards and action that was taken between the players? if this is open?
it is disappointing that it involves two blondes sigh
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« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2014, 07:36:50 PM »

Feeling pretty dizzy at the moment. I haven’t read this thread in any detail since it has been reopened, I just wanted to make a point.

I stated last night/early this morning that I didn’t cheat with anyone in the Satellite and I absolutely maintain that position.

To be clear on the position I poker have temporarily suspended account privileges whilst I am under investigation and Dave is in the same position. DTD verbally advised us that collusion HAS been identified and hence their position today, which I can respect at this time.

However, I am now going to spend as much time as it will take to clear my name (and Daves) because I/we didn’t cheat.
I don’t want to mention any specifics on here so as not to potentially prejudice my position. Needless to say once its resolved I will comment further.
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« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2014, 07:42:17 PM »

Good luck with it all, you dont know me but i watched final 2 tables whilst playing cash, thought you played big stack really well.
BUT the playing in same house is gonna be a massive bogey for your case.
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« Reply #63 on: February 20, 2014, 07:53:17 PM »

The matter has been handled and we will not be posting hand histories and participating in public post mortems.

The £1000 seats have been awarded to the 2 players that finished 11th and 12th in satellite.

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« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2014, 08:45:06 PM »



Only hand I can think off the top of my head is one where I didn't go all in from the BB with AA. Guy was massive CL and limped the button. The SB had less than 1 small blind left and I didn't intend on putting another chip in the pot..

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Actually, I'm not sure why this is "LOL". In a satellite you have effectively won the tournament once you have a seat locked, if mili felt this was the case then he has no reason to put another chip into the pot.
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in normal satellite situation i would agree, but to say that after you are putting up some kind of defence and saying "we were not colluding but playing on same ip address in same house and i fold AA", to be accussed of cheating and then say "we're best friends but playing in same house in different rooms and i folded AA only hand i can think of "

Also, I met guy at grand prix sat at blackjack table and he seemed like a very intelligent man, to read his mates comments he must be squirming and blows any chance of it being seriously looked at on appeal! Im afraid it seems Dom was right from start here!
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« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2014, 08:46:21 PM »

The matter has been handled and we will not be posting hand histories and participating in public post mortems.

The £1000 seats have been awarded to the 2 players that finished 11th and 12th in satellite.

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Is this industry standard in Sat's? (I dont think ive ever come across this before in a sat although have been refunded in an MTT before)

IF the two in question are guilty of collusion (Ive expressed my views on this already) Surely its not just two players in the Sat that would be affected? 2 players get £1100 and the rest get nada? rather than the other 30 players or so splitting the £2.2k or it being a more "tiered" system. Understand this would be a more time consuming method but seems fairer. Just my 2cent's
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« Reply #66 on: February 20, 2014, 08:50:45 PM »

The matter has been handled and we will not be posting hand histories and participating in public post mortems.

The £1000 seats have been awarded to the 2 players that finished 11th and 12th in satellite.

Cheers ACES



Is this industry standard in Sat's? (I dont think ive ever come across this before in a sat although have been refunded in an MTT before)

IF the two in question are guilty of collusion (Ive expressed my views on this already) Surely its not just two players in the Sat that would be affected? 2 players get £1100 and the rest get nada? rather than the other 30 players or so splitting the £2.2k or it being a more "tiered" system. Understand this would be a more time consuming method but seems fairer. Just my 2cent's
Full tilt do it all the time, they are top of the table with cutting out colluding and I often get refunds or seats based on players being disqualified and banned! (without complaining)
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« Reply #67 on: February 20, 2014, 08:58:02 PM »

The matter has been handled and we will not be posting hand histories and participating in public post mortems.

The £1000 seats have been awarded to the 2 players that finished 11th and 12th in satellite.

Cheers ACES



Is this industry standard in Sat's? (I dont think ive ever come across this before in a sat although have been refunded in an MTT before)

IF the two in question are guilty of collusion (Ive expressed my views on this already) Surely its not just two players in the Sat that would be affected? 2 players get £1100 and the rest get nada? rather than the other 30 players or so splitting the £2.2k or it being a more "tiered" system. Understand this would be a more time consuming method but seems fairer. Just my 2cent's
Full tilt do it all the time, they are top of the table with cutting out colluding and I often get refunds or seats based on players being disqualified and banned! (without complaining)

Yes and i know stars do it as well but was not going to come in and start comparing brands.

My question was where is the line between awarding seats to 11/12 and refunding the other players involved?

If its Sats - Pay next person out
Standard Comps - Split equally

Or is it a case by case basis?
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« Reply #68 on: February 20, 2014, 11:22:16 PM »

Colluding has been going on in satellites for a long time. I find in these online dtd sats it happens a lot because you're often playing with your mates and people can get away with it. I'd like to say that I know Guy and that I'll do my best to give an unbiased opinion.

Firstly, the two people that have been banned were on the same IP. I think this is something that should be completely ignored as it means nothing. It is no different if I am on skype with a friend or whatever.

The fact that people get away with colluding in these games all the time is not a reason to collude yourself and some feel like they need to help their friends out/dump chips in order to balance the so called cheating against yourself. I don't condone this but accept that a lot of people do it. If you happen to be the people that are made example of then that's tough luck. For example, guy and millidonk.

I don't think Guy is scummy at all and people shouldn't really associate what people are calling "colluding" as scummy. Defining and identifying colluding is difficult but I'll be honest I expect that if I were to review the hand histories I'd see some soft play somewhere along the lines. This of course poses a problem. If I were on the pure bubble of the one drop (farfetchaments) with a big stack and some random business punter and Phil Ivey are the short stacks, I'm going to obv give walks to the businessman and try to bust Ivey. It makes complete tactical sense. Given this potential strategy you could use this as an argument of "hard playing" someone or a couple of people at the table. This is of course becoming a ridiculous argument now but this is why defining colluding is a tricky one and needs an experts analysis as well as strict rulings every satellite and not just this one.

I believe the decision DTD made was likely to be one that suited their interests and a lot of other peoples. They need to protect their reputation and I think they have acted accordingly and fair. The only thing I am unsure about is the quick response from an ipoker fraud specialist on a Thursday morning. I don't think something can be analysed and reported on so quickly, but I may be wrong.

The only thing that is a shame that two certain people have been outed for this when there is a small chance they are innocent and they've been made an example of but I guess life isn't fair sometimes. I hope that people will begin to play these more fairly now and that the ipoker support team take colluding more seriously in the future.

I would like to see the hh's myself if they are available, as someone who plays quite a lot of online satellites and has a good understanding of ICM I believe I'd be someone who could make a good judgement of the potential of collusion in game. I find it incredibly hard to believe that some ipoker employee looked at the hands on a single thursday morning and is capable of making a good decision every time.

All in all, apart from 2 people being banned from the tournament and feeling very sour, this is only going to be a good thing for the future satellites that are played.
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« Reply #69 on: February 20, 2014, 11:43:51 PM »

The matter has been handled and we will not be posting hand histories and participating in public post mortems.

The £1000 seats have been awarded to the 2 players that finished 11th and 12th in satellite.

Cheers ACES



Hi Simon.

I think you are a great card room manager and I regard you as a friend.

But I think you are very wrong on this.

Two popular and respected members of this forum have banned from ipoker and your cardroom.

I think it's only fair - if they want to argue the case - that the hands in question are open to scrutiny of this forum.

If they accept the findings, fair enough. Lock up the thread and let's get on with playing cards.
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« Reply #70 on: February 20, 2014, 11:45:34 PM »

Hi Simon.

I think you are a great card room manager and I regard you as a friend.

But I think you are very wrong on this.

Two popular and respected members of this forum have banned from ipoker and your cardroom.

I think it's only fair - if they want to argue the case - that the hands in question are open to scrutiny of this forum.

If they accept the findings, fair enough. Lock up the thread and let's get on with playing cards.

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« Reply #71 on: February 20, 2014, 11:52:25 PM »

I'd be happy to bet there are many more accomplished and talented satellite (and poker) players using this forum than there is in the Ipoker collusion department.

I know whose conclusion I would trust more.
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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2014, 12:35:44 AM »

The matter has been handled and we will not be posting hand histories and participating in public post mortems.

The £1000 seats have been awarded to the 2 players that finished 11th and 12th in satellite.

Cheers ACES



Hi Simon.

I think you are a great card room manager and I regard you as a friend.

But I think you are very wrong on this.

Two popular and respected members of this forum have banned from ipoker and your cardroom.

I think it's only fair - if they want to argue the case - that the hands in question are open to scrutiny of this forum.

If they accept the findings, fair enough. Lock up the thread and let's get on with playing cards.

I know nothing about what's happened here but I know a little about the process in general.

Hand histories are only 1 element to an investigation like this and so posting them here would not prove anything. There are a range of elements considered and I think it's clear why the complete process and findings wouldn't be posted on a public forum
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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2014, 12:36:16 AM »

It isn't a manual process. They have software to detect collusion.

I wonder if they have different software for play on the bubble in a satellite.i somehow doubt it.
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« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2014, 12:36:53 AM »

The matter has been handled and we will not be posting hand histories and participating in public post mortems.

The £1000 seats have been awarded to the 2 players that finished 11th and 12th in satellite.

Cheers ACES



Hi Simon.

I think you are a great card room manager and I regard you as a friend.

But I think you are very wrong on this.

Two popular and respected members of this forum have banned from ipoker and your cardroom.

I think it's only fair - if they want to argue the case - that the hands in question are open to scrutiny of this forum.

If they accept the findings, fair enough. Lock up the thread and let's get on with playing cards.

I woulda thought posting the hands on here, is the worst thing that can happen.
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