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pleno1
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April 13, 2014, 07:02:38 PM »
nobody more than 11k, nobidy less than 9k.
635 buy in. its reentry, 10k starting, BB 30.
im utg with
i fold.
thoughts?
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Re: first hand ftops main
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up the max bet in our scoop prop
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Re: first hand ftops main
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April 13, 2014, 07:16:18 PM »
if you wish to play it passively then limp call > open fold??
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Quote from: action man on April 13, 2014, 07:05:13 PM
up the max bet in our scoop prop
sick level pads, #gotem
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Re: first hand ftops main
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Quote from: pleno1 on April 13, 2014, 07:02:38 PM
nobody more than 11k, nobidy less than 9k.
635 buy in. its reentry, 10k starting, BB 30.
im utg with
i fold.
thoughts?
Timeout?
I know a tight range utg is optimal, but surely AK is good enough to open?
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Re: first hand ftops main
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Quote from: HutchGF on April 13, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on April 13, 2014, 07:02:38 PM
nobody more than 11k, nobidy less than 9k.
635 buy in. its reentry, 10k starting, BB 30.
im utg with
i fold.
thoughts?
Timeout?
I know a tight range utg is optimal, but surely AK is good enough to open?
why? how many chips do u estimate you gain from opening? how will you gain these chips? how much did you assume were reverse implied?
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Re: first hand ftops main
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April 13, 2014, 09:17:14 PM »
in that case wouldnt it be better not to have a raising range UTG this deep? Just limp our entire range that we would usually open and just attempt to cooler?
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Re: first hand ftops main
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Quote from: pleno1 on April 13, 2014, 09:13:14 PM
Quote from: HutchGF on April 13, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Quote from: pleno1 on April 13, 2014, 07:02:38 PM
nobody more than 11k, nobidy less than 9k.
635 buy in. its reentry, 10k starting, BB 30.
im utg with
i fold.
thoughts?
Timeout?
I know a tight range utg is optimal, but surely AK is good enough to open?
why? how many chips do u estimate you gain from opening? how will you gain these chips? how much did you assume were reverse implied?
I find it hard questioning someone with your undoubted credentials and history, but surely people will call with worse and allow you to gain some value from lesser hands? I know we're out of position and I'm not suggesting going crazy with one pair type hands post flop or getting into 3b/5b wars pre.
Big stacks grow from small acorns and all that.
However I completely understand the point you're making with your question. I also like and admire the way you're questioning the standard line and looking for tiny edges to improve your game. Can I counter your question with two of my own.....
1. What would be your utg range here? QQ+?
2. Would you open AKo in similar position in a smaller buy-in game assuming a weaker field and people playing worse hands sub optimally post flop?
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Re: first hand ftops main
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April 13, 2014, 09:47:09 PM »
Cant open AA here either. Then have to bet fold a J 3 6 flop
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muckthenuts
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April 13, 2014, 10:15:34 PM »
There could easily be 1 or 2 huge fish to act and in a presumably reggy event their chips are even more valuable. This would be a pretty bad fold to make, esp when you can play postflop better than most.
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Re: first hand ftops main
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April 13, 2014, 10:21:38 PM »
I think there are some interesting points about this sort of thing. This early in the tournament, with the blinds this small in relation to our stack, do we really think we're going to make loads of chips from flopping top pair with AK? I think there is a fair amount to be said for only playing hands that can flop well enough that we are happy playing big pots with. We're talking pairs like 88+, and decent suited Ax hands, going for those coolers. I don't think we're ever going to be happy getting involved in a big pot with this hand this early in the tournament.
Quote from: PathFinder on April 13, 2014, 09:17:14 PM
in that case wouldnt it be better not to have a raising range UTG this deep? Just limp our entire range that we would usually open and just attempt to cooler?
I think it's fine to have a raising range this deep when we're looking to cooler people, or just flop hands with big play potential (yes I'm reading too much PLO stuff) because this obviously makes it much easier for us to get stacks in.
Not saying I would do this, but tbh, I quite like this sort of thinking. Obviously a lot of it depends on table, if everyone is never folding a pair then I think folding here is bad :p
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Re: first hand ftops main
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lol ok pleno
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Re: first hand ftops main
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Mis-click?
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Also for the record, i think this is a level, and pads opened and lost some in a reverse implied spot, or just hypothetically made it up
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Quote from: verndog158 on June 29, 2014, 07:49:39 PM
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Quote from: action man on April 13, 2014, 07:05:13 PM
up the max bet in our scoop prop
lolz
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