Was this bluff stupid? First post on here

[baldock92]

This was a live event, in the money already. Blinds 2000/4000/500. I have around 180k, big blind has about 120k, average about 140k.

Folded round to me on the button, raise to 9000 with  , sb folds, bb calls. He's never really got out of hand with crazy bluffs, made a few loose calls before.

Flop comes   

BB checks, I c-bet for 11k, BB calls. I put him on small aces, marginal queens and jacks, maybe J10, Q10 something like that.

Turn: 

BB checks, I c-bet for 20k. BB think for 30seconds or so and flats, doesn't look overly comfortable. Still have him on previously states hands.

River:  .

BB checks, I bet 51k for most of his stack, believing he'll fold the hands i put him on. Tanks for about 2 minutes before calling, showing  .

Was this bluff stupid? Lost a huge portion of my stack and bust shortly after and it's been bugging me since.

(sorry if this isn't detailed enough, it's my first hand analysis post on here)

[JGill_DTD]

Welcome

Happy with pre and flop, but on the turn I think I give up. If kicker plays it makes it a lot easier to play but now we are only getting folds from Qx and some straight draws that we beat and could potentially get to showdown against where we have the best hand.

If he knows you are opening fairly wide when folded to IP (which I imagine is the case if you open K6) Then it makes the river a sigh call for him with Ax. There's a fair few turns I continue on (7-), but think this is the worst card for trying to make him fold.

Don't think it's stupid since it's fairly obv what he has here, just an unnecessarily tough spot to take when we aren't 100% sure whether he folds Ax vs this line.

[JGill_DTD]

Think the most important factor here is how wide he thinks you are opening, and if capable of 3 barreling. Hard to read minds though

[SuuPRlim]

I'm a little drunk right now, but I kinda like the play in this hand, would shove the river, not bet 51k though, defo the tournament life thingy has affect in these spots. He doesn't have too much AJ, AQ, JJ, QQ, AA and you're totally uncapped, he can have QJ though that's the main "monster" I'd worry abt running into, but as I said I'm a lil drunk so I might be talking nonsense :-P

Also, how wide you're opening pre flop isn't a sole factor in his river decision with A2, it makes you're flop and turn range slightly wider be default (more air in cbet range flop, and slightly more added equity turn barrels) but certainly for him thinking you're wide preflop is no way near a reason to call the river with A2, A2 is a straight up bluff catcher sohow often you're bluffing is the sole factor in the decision to call A2 or not. Just because you get to the flop bet with a wider than average range doesn't mean it's an auto call with A2 on the river, fairly sure that readless folding is defo the better play

[lucky_scrote]

I'm a little drunk right now, but I kinda like the play in this hand, would shove the river, not bet 51k though

Exactly this, people are much more willing to call if you leave them a few bb's because if it's a really close decision they think 'Well, If I'm wrong there's always a chance I can spin up'.

I like the line otherwise, and I wouldn't take this line early stages whatsoever but deeper into a tournament people value their chips much more. WP UL etc.

[verndog158]

Am with Dan and LilDave, was discussing in skype with a few people and defo agree on shoving the river, pressure on people calling off for their whole stack is far greater as Luckyscrote said. Dont hate the bluff, just remember next time to have a hand, as he will be calling you off light again!

[scotty77]

Board was AcJsQs9cJc btw.

[muckthenuts]

Board was AcJsQs9cJc btw.

In this case i'd be giving up turn.

If the board ran out as you posted you can check turn and give up which would be fine with me, nobody ever gives credit btn vs bb and the J isn't really the best bluffing card as it hits him sometimes/gets rid of kicker problems he can have with Ax. Continuing seems also cool but if you're going to do this then make sure you empty the clip.

[tikay]

Board was AcJsQs9cJc btw.

Lol, how did you know that?.......

[scotty77]

Board was AcJsQs9cJc btw.

Lol, how did you know that?.......

Don't worry, I wasn't  the station in the BB!

[lucky_scrote]

In the original OP, if BB is a good player and aware of ranges then it's going to be difficult in making him believe that an Ace isn't good a majority of the time. You might check a jack on the flop and you probably don't fire away with an Ace like we want him to fold.

On the second (revised) board I just give up because unless he really has just Ax then with the hands he's peeled with there is a good chance he is not folding many of them. People who have a good hand at this stage (ie two pair) vs your btn open just won't fold.

[baldock92]

I know my range on the button is wide here and so top pair could easily be good, but after firing every street i feel like it's very hard to call without a premium hand.

Welcome

Happy with pre and flop, but on the turn I think I give up. If kicker plays it makes it a lot easier to play but now we are only getting folds from Qx and some straight draws that we beat and could potentially get to showdown against where we have the best hand.

If he knows you are opening fairly wide when folded to IP (which I imagine is the case if you open K6) Then it makes the river a sigh call for him with Ax. There's a fair few turns I continue on (7-), but think this is the worst card for trying to make him fold.

Don't think it's stupid since it's fairly obv what he has here, just an unnecessarily tough spot to take when we aren't 100% sure whether he folds Ax vs this line.

Very much what JG says. Are you George by any chance?  If so, then its very likely your going to be seen to be wide and capable of unloading the clip lite. I sat with you the other week in the 250 and I had assigned u a laggy range, but didn't really get involved. I saw one or two pots where people called off a little lighter than they probably would ordinarily, purely because of the image. Well thats what I thought anyway!

Yes this is George, i have no idea who anyone on this forum is because i'm new to it- are you Ryan who was on my table?


I didn't shove because I think a shove looks more bluffy in this spot, whereas betting 51k looks like i'm trying to extract value from him.

Sorry if i did get the board wrong, i thought no flush came in? Maybe my mind is fucking with me.

[scotty77]

I'm Ryan, yeah.  Was an interesting hand at the time.  Board was def all black and backdoor flush did come in.  Not certain if flop was ccs or ssc.

As I said on twitter, the hand about 3/4 previous is really relevant here where you 3b/fold pre.  He's gonna assume your tilting from that spot.

[verndog158]

still think some people, villain dependant obviously will just see you put him all in and think, 'bloody hell, if im wrong im out', therefore if you want to fire all 3 streets, think 'all in' is the best bet on the river

[baldock92]

I have to say I think you're both right here, for him to call his stack off would be a lot harder so I should have put him to the sword.

And the previous hand must have played a part.

Eurgh, so many mistakes that level which cost me so big. Time to learn from these mistakes and onto the next one!