First hand of the Rio $235 Daily Deepstack

[Tal]

Seems like a standard spot to me, but, after consultation, I've been left questioning my river decision.

15k starting stack. Blinds 25/50. I'm the youngest at the table by 10 years. Villain (button) late 50s at a guess. Glasses, casually dressed, looks comfortable at the table. Stacked his chips sensibly, rather than in comedy piles. No other info available.

Cutoff makes it 100 to go. Button calls. I have  in the small blind and raise to 300. Both call.

Flop 

I bet 500, which is called by the button.

Turn  .

I bet 800 and he calls quickly.

River  . 

I bet 2,100 and he asks how much, then raises to 6,100.

He called so quickly on the turn, I was convinced I had bet too little and could get more on the end.

I thought this was a standard fold. Convince me otherwise.

(Bust the comp four hands later JT < 77 on 67898 Bleugghhhhhh...)

[Tal]

Well, when I say "no other info available", I mean no other relevant info. Holmesian deduction suggests:

- married
- American but not local
- non-smoker
- here on his own (unironed polo shirt)
- been here a week (creased from folding, so likely still out of the suitcase or put the shirt in a draw as packed by his wife)
- 5'9"
- 14 stone ish

[rfgqqabc]

Definitely bigger pre, and then probably bigger on the flop. This is important because it compounds a lot on later streets, and people don't fold much here pre.

Huge chat tells on the river, wouldnt enjoy having 22 here.

edit: Love the Sherlock esque reads.

[Tal]

Definitely bigger pre, and then probably bigger on the flop. This is important because it compounds a lot on later streets, and people don't fold much here pre.

Huge chat tells on the river, wouldnt enjoy having 22 here.

edit: Love the Sherlock esque reads.

Flop bet on such a pants board? Appreciate up against two players, but happy to get two lots of 500, rather than one 800. Or get AT/JJ to get creative.

Prob should focus on getting value. Fair enough.

And yes, chat tells ftw. Or not.

[mulhuzz]

nobody has ever asked how much and then raised with a worse hand.

fold seems good tho, he has a lot of sets.

[rfgqqabc]

Definitely bigger pre, and then probably bigger on the flop. This is important because it compounds a lot on later streets, and people don't fold much here pre.

Huge chat tells on the river, wouldnt enjoy having 22 here.

edit: Love the Sherlock esque reads.

Flop bet on such a pants board? Appreciate up against two players, but happy to get two lots of 500, rather than one 800. Or get AT/JJ to get creative.

Prob should focus on getting value. Fair enough.

And yes, chat tells ftw. Or not.

Hard to get two callers and can still get two if you get 800 :O

Don't mind your size when you make it this small pre, and I am talking about small differences but they do add up.

[Tal]

Definitely bigger pre, and then probably bigger on the flop. This is important because it compounds a lot on later streets, and people don't fold much here pre.

Huge chat tells on the river, wouldnt enjoy having 22 here.

edit: Love the Sherlock esque reads.

Flop bet on such a pants board? Appreciate up against two players, but happy to get two lots of 500, rather than one 800. Or get AT/JJ to get creative.

Prob should focus on getting value. Fair enough.

And yes, chat tells ftw. Or not.

Hard to get two callers and can still get two if you get 800 :O

Don't mind your size when you make it this small pre, and I am talking about small differences but they do add up.

No, that's fair enough. With hindsight, I agree. Could have gone 500 pre.

[pleno1]

yeh wayyyy bigger pre, 1k is probably better than 300.

flop id bet 1k too.

river seems trivial fold, may call if flop was a little wetter.

[Tal]

yeh wayyyy bigger pre, 1k is probably better than 300.

flop id bet 1k too.

river seems trivial fold, may call if flop was a little wetter.

So, what's your ideal bet sizing through this hand? Assume if you go 1k pre you only get one caller, if you like.

[wazz]

Yerp I'm making it at least 500 and can see myself going bigger in this lolfest. As has been said, villains are going to be quite inelastic to sizing so go ahead and bet big, it won't decrease your chances of picking up calls significantly. River play is standard, he has worse here <1% of the time imo

[titaniumbean]

elementary fold on river. post more though loved the insights.


def go huge pre. it's the rio daily lol

[mulhuzz]

elementary fold on river. post more though loved the insights.


def go huge pre. it's the rio daily lol

*claps*

[Rexas]

over 500 for me too, between 600 and 900. Also, fold river. Also, fold pre. Elementary, my dear Tal.

[Tal]

over 500 for me too, between 600 and 900. Also, fold river. Also, fold pre. Elementary, my dear Tal.

Disappointing.

[Rexas]

over 500 for me too, between 600 and 900. Also, fold river. Also, fold pre. Elementary, my dear Tal.

Disappointing.

fwiw, i dont think sherly ever said that