530 line check

[SuuPRlim]

massively on board with the flop check.

massively on board with the turn bet and call.

massively on board with the river fold.

Me and Pleno have finally met together on a NLHE tournament hand!! I feel all grown up.

OTR, realistically the only value hand we beat is AQ, and that's a pretty reasonable hand for him to have, usually when I can beat some (even thin) combo's of value bets I'm well on board for calling, but in line with that I also wanna give him some realistic combo's of bluffs and aside from QJ or QT (which do also have the pretty reasonable options of both calling or indeed folding the turn) I can't really give him many if any, I can also reasonably give his range JT and 555 so given its v early in a v long tournament I'd lean to the side of caution and fold.

*Edit - I guess he could have AK too, so that might be something to consider/make it a tiny bit closer.

I would suspect this was a very well played hand.

[GreekStein]

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

im lost

we will not show a profit vs his range by barreling flop and turn with our hand here.

disagree with both.

think b, b, b would be v v v v bad here. doubt theres even value betting flop/turn

expand?

i dont think its +ev to bet flop+turn, so betting flop+turn+river would probably be a bluff.

how? he defends the big from a minraise, surely all AQ/KQ/all heart kx broadway combos etcetc. Or do people just not play those hands this early?

KQ beats us, KJ probably calls 2, AQ probably one. Checking back gives him the chance to stab instead of folding out all his weak hands. I think checking back here is really nice, we arent going to win a big pot and dont really want to play one so bluffcatching is nice. Plus if it brings in a BDFD then we can get a bigger river bet out of him as our range looks weaker than if we had bet the flop. So few bad cards that protecting our equity becomes a minor issue.

3x pre.

yeah really like this. good post rffdfyusdfsdgs

[pleno1]

He is close to 10% to use this sizing with aq IMO

[Flash92]

I think I'm on board. Only thing I don't like/understand is reasons for min raising pre with this stack/hand/position?

[lucky_scrote]

How many people fold river when they aren't playing well btw.

[SuuPRlim]

He is close to 10% to use this sizing with aq IMO

How comes? Is he basically just 555 or JT then if he's gonna go smaller cos he's blocking combos of Ax and 2pairs? AQ surely gonna look like the nuts OTR given he prolly expects you to bet both AK, and JT OTF (and 555 and AA ofc)

You've raised UTG joke early in a deep ante-less comp so I guess actually your range even after checking the flop is pretty strong OTR...

[pleno1]

How many people fold river when they aren't playing well btw.

I should have boomed it when you see somebody bet 920/1kish it's way different than seeing a hh like this.

One thing is that he could very possibly have ak

[pleno1]

He is close to 10% to use this sizing with aq IMO

How comes? Is he basically just 555 or JT then if he's gonna go smaller cos he's blocking combos of Ax and 2pairs? AQ surely gonna look like the nuts OTR given he prolly expects you to bet both AK, and JT OTF (and 555 and AA ofc)

You've raised UTG joke early in a deep ante-less comp so I guess actually your range even after checking the flop is pretty strong OTR...

He can have aaa, kkk, qqq easily too remember.

But yeah I think he is very jt/555 heavy

[AlexMartin]

but he defended against a minraise a million bb deep, surely there are better hands to checkback than AK, KTs for example. We not cbetting our air on this flop or are ppls utg ranges in this like 6%?

[pleno1]

Also regarding pre. I play a split sizings strategy to balance a few different things when I play 162 and higher. Lower comps I would even 4x depending on the comp

[pleno1]

but he defended against a minraise a million bb deep, surely there are better hands to checkback than AK, KTs for example. We not cbetting our air on this flop or are ppls utg ranges in this like 6%?

It's about his turn calling range though mate. He's just over folding way too much ott, all qx and upto kj. I feel like we max value from checking back flop/calling turn+ river and occasionally raising some turns/rivers depending on sizings.

[willrobrobu]

but he defended against a minraise a million bb deep, surely there are better hands to checkback than AK, KTs for example. We not cbetting our air on this flop or are ppls utg ranges in this like 6%?

It's about his turn calling range though mate. He's just over folding way too much ott, all qx and upto kj. I feel like we max value from checking back flop/calling turn+ river and occasionally raising some turns/rivers depending on sizings.

i like the flop check, but only if you call the river bet.  he isn't putting you on AK when you check the flop so his value b range on river is slightly wider imo, would even include A5s. there's more bluffs there too, following through from a semibluff on turn with J9hh for example. foldiing will never be a bad decision here. calling is the gamble but i think there's enough non jt/55 combinations to show a profit here vs most players

[AlexMartin]

but he defended against a minraise a million bb deep, surely there are better hands to checkback than AK, KTs for example. We not cbetting our air on this flop or are ppls utg ranges in this like 6%?

It's about his turn calling range though mate. He's just over folding way too much ott, all qx and upto kj. I feel like we max value from checking back flop/calling turn+ river and occasionally raising some turns/rivers depending on sizings.

checkback turn then, i think with this line good players can turn every Tx into a bluff with a decent frequency. I mean its a fairly moot point between delayed cbet and cbet and this is just on the cusp of a GTO call (assuming ur checking back KK/QQ....)

[pleno1]

but he defended against a minraise a million bb deep, surely there are better hands to checkback than AK, KTs for example. We not cbetting our air on this flop or are ppls utg ranges in this like 6%?

It's about his turn calling range though mate. He's just over folding way too much ott, all qx and upto kj. I feel like we max value from checking back flop/calling turn+ river and occasionally raising some turns/rivers depending on sizings.

i like the flop check, but only if you call the river bet.  he isn't putting you on AK when you check the flop so his value b range on river is slightly wider imo, would even include A5s. there's more bluffs there too, following through from a semibluff on turn with J9hh for example. foldiing will never be a bad decision here. calling is the gamble but i think there's enough non jt/55 combinations to show a profit here vs most players

If he bet 400 maybe but he basically potted and when my most likely hand is aq here in my perceived range potting a5 would be v bad IMO

[pleno1]

but he defended against a minraise a million bb deep, surely there are better hands to checkback than AK, KTs for example. We not cbetting our air on this flop or are ppls utg ranges in this like 6%?

It's about his turn calling range though mate. He's just over folding way too much ott, all qx and upto kj. I feel like we max value from checking back flop/calling turn+ river and occasionally raising some turns/rivers depending on sizings.

checkback turn then, i think with this line good players can turn every Tx into a bluff with a decent frequency. I mean its a fairly moot point between delayed cbet and cbet and this is just on the cusp of a GTO call (assuming ur checking back KK/QQ....)

Good players wouldn't do a high variance bluff like this pre ante in a tournament. There's just literally no need. Stack preservation brah.