Big 8.80 facing 13BB shove BvB

[Junior Senior]

No history – no HUD. Do you call?  Average is 12.5K. We are two minutes from a blinds increase to 250 / 500

PokerStars Hand #118249165300: Tournament #929516189, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2014/07/02 18:15:59 WET [2014/07/02 13:15:59 ET]
Table '929516189 16' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: J.L.D. Papa (13960 in chips)
Seat 2: Showdan10 (20978 in chips)
Seat 3: benzi1986 (33560 in chips)
Seat 4: barcs69 (5388 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (10405 in chips)
Seat 6: Zihuatanejo3 (5642 in chips)
Seat 7: cedrick89 (3818 in chips)
Seat 8: nunes42 (21652 in chips)
Seat 9: 54kgPozitiva (6110 in chips)
J.L.D. Papa: posts the ante 50
Showdan10: posts the ante 50
benzi1986: posts the ante 50
barcs69: posts the ante 50
HERO: posts the ante 50
Zihuatanejo3: posts the ante 50
cedrick89: posts the ante 50
nunes42: posts the ante 50
54kgPozitiva: posts the ante 50
barcs69: posts small blind 200
HERO: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ah ]
Zihuatanejo3: folds
cedrick89: folds
nunes42: folds
54kgPozitiva: folds
J.L.D. Papa: folds
Showdan10: folds
benzi1986: folds
barcs69: raises 4938 to 5338 and is all-in
HERO ??

[TL900]

super fistpump high five your dog call

[mulhuzz]

super fistpump high five your dog call

If you don't have a dog, is a self 5 acceptable? :d

Agree tho, call real quick

[JGill_DTD]

I call, don't think Stars has any other button available for me here to press

[titaniumbean]

super fistpump high five your dog call

If you don't have a dog, is a self 5 acceptable? :d

Agree tho, call real quick

slap yourself on the forehead innit.



better question from OP is what do we call with not just this hand, A9 A5 KQs what pair is bottom etc etc

[Junior Senior]

sorry guys, i am just not getting the results at the minute and confidence is low. started even questioning the most basic of decisions. just wanted it reaffirming i suppose

called
was winning
didn't win after the 5 community cards revelaed themselves

[TL900]

Pokers a frustrating game, gota try your best to not let variance influence your decisions tho.

In a vacuum here I'm probably calling Ax K7o+ K5s+ Q9o+ Q8s+ J9s+ 22+. People shove JOKE wide bvb nowadays even unknowns (too wide imo)

[titaniumbean]

sorry guys, i am just not getting the results at the minute and confidence is low. started even questioning the most basic of decisions. just wanted it reaffirming i suppose

called
was winning
didn't win after the 5 community cards revelaed themselves

rather than call, lose and question the decision because we lost, we want to be results orientated in the sense of what did he showdown, if he had 92o or w/e we can see just how wide he is shoving and therefore our hand is miles up on the happy scale, and we should be concerning ourselfthat were folding way too many marginal hands which would actually be miles ahead of his range.

[Junior Senior]

sorry guys, i am just not getting the results at the minute and confidence is low. started even questioning the most basic of decisions. just wanted it reaffirming i suppose

called
was winning
didn't win after the 5 community cards revelaed themselves

rather than call, lose and question the decision because we lost, we want to be results orientated in the sense of what did he showdown, if he had 92o or w/e we can see just how wide he is shoving and therefore our hand is miles up on the happy scale, and we should be concerning ourselfthat were folding way too many marginal hands which would actually be miles ahead of his range.

yeah i have fast realised i am way too tight in these spots online.
he had a 9 and a 7!.... a 9! with a 7!

[theprawnidentity]

Even according to nash 97o is a jam here assuming an optimal calling range.  The fact that you're not calling wide enough means that the sb can shove even wider and it still be profitable.

For example, if your calling range in the big blind vs sb is 22+ Ax+ K8s+ K9o+ QTs+ QJo then the sb can profitably jam any two cards vs you.  Even 32o becomes a fairly substantial gain because you will fold far too often.  According to nash, the optimal play in this spot (ignoring any r/f or r/c options) is:

SB jam: 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J7o+ T3s+ T7o+ 95s+ 97o+ 84s+ 86o+ 74s+ 76o 63s+ 65o 53s+ 43s
BB call: 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q6o+ J7s+ J8o+ T7s+ T9o 98s

It's always important to bear in mind opponents range though as if you over/underestimate their range you can very quickly make some big mistakes.  The classic rule of thumb is in calling spots if in doubt fold, and in shoving spots if in doubt shove.

[pleno1]

Pokers a frustrating game, gota try your best to not let variance influence your decisions tho.

In a vacuum here I'm probably calling Ax K7o+ K5s+ Q9o+ Q8s+ J9s+ 22+. People shove JOKE wide bvb nowadays even unknowns (too wide imo)

Just has to be wrong IMO we've seen multiple threads from players who would be folding close to the top of their range or at least considering it this people probably aren't shoving wide enough on ssmtts IMO. But ofc indinubderstAnd where you're coming from in terms of jamming vs somebody such as yourself.

[TL900]

Pokers a frustrating game, gota try your best to not let variance influence your decisions tho.

In a vacuum here I'm probably calling Ax K7o+ K5s+ Q9o+ Q8s+ J9s+ 22+. People shove JOKE wide bvb nowadays even unknowns (too wide imo)

Just has to be wrong IMO we've seen multiple threads from players who would be folding close to the top of their range or at least considering it this people probably aren't shoving wide enough on ssmtts IMO. But ofc indinubderstAnd where you're coming from in terms of jamming vs somebody such as yourself.

I dont understand what youre exactly saying here, but I think in general most people find it alot easier to move all in with  less than premium holdings compared to calling an all in with Q8s for example so I think the population can be overjamming and undercalling at the same time in the same spot