The Gamblers Moaning Thread

[arbboy]

Conversely i have no problem with bookmakers carrying on as they are but the GC forces them on all adverts (similar to drinks and Cig ads) something along the lines of 'Before you invest with us you must be aware if you have any idea what you are doing and might only lose up to 5% of your turnover with us, or heaven above actually have the audacity to actually make money from us, that will not be enough and we will refuse to take any bets from you and close your account.  These decisions will sometimes be made within 1 hour or 1 bet of your account being opened.  This might even happen if you actually lose to us even though that sounds incredible it's actually true.'

[Junior Senior]

You're both comparing apples with oranges.

If you ran an all you can eat buffet and a load of very hungry people moved in down the road, why wouldn't you be within your right to say "we will happily serve from the menu, but you're eating us out of house and home on the buffet"?

My issue is when people who only want to bet fivers and tenners get restricted.

I have 13 unrestricted accounts but can confirm me and 5 mates were politely asked not to return to our local all you can eat deep pan pizza place. So in sense restricted. Apparently an average of 16 slices and a a bowl of salad each is taking the piss

[Tal]

You're both comparing apples with oranges.

If you ran an all you can eat buffet and a load of very hungry people moved in down the road, why wouldn't you be within your right to say "we will happily serve from the menu, but you're eating us out of house and home on the buffet"?

My issue is when people who only want to bet fivers and tenners get restricted.

I have 13 unrestricted accounts but can confirm me and 5 mates were politely asked not to return to our local all you can eat deep pan pizza place. So in sense restricted. Apparently an average of 16 slices and a a bowl of salad each is taking the piss

Brilliant!

[JustinSayne]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

[Doobs]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

People that don't understand randomness and berate the fella in the last box on a blackjack table "for taking a card the dealer would have got".  Sit in the last box yourself if you think there is something different that fella should do on behalf of the rest of the table, but frankly the whole last box thing makes me tear my hair out and say surely you get randomness.  Take a deck of cards, remove card A and card B.  Card A is just as likely to be a ten as card B ffs. 

[JoeBeevers]

Berating the fella in the last blackjack box is after timing at it's finest.

[OverTheBorder]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

People that don't understand randomness and berate the fella in the last box on a blackjack table "for taking a card the dealer would have got".  Sit in the last box yourself if you think there is something different that fella should do on behalf of the rest of the table, but frankly the whole last box thing makes me tear my hair out and say surely you get randomness.  Take a deck of cards, remove card A and card B.  Card A is just as likely to be a ten as card B ffs. 

After the event surely the randomness is gone? You know exactly which card it would have been! I think people berate the last box as most aren't sharp enough to count through if seat 1 does something non standard, so the last box always gets it tight as it's more noticeable! FWIW I prefer the end box. Cannot claim not to get annoyed when someone hits on 15 when the dealers showing a 6 or something and it kills me! I also easily forget how many times someone's bad play ultra rewards me blackjack is a team game so I kept getting told by texans in Vegas....

[tikay]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

People that don't understand randomness and berate the fella in the last box on a blackjack table "for taking a card the dealer would have got".  Sit in the last box yourself if you think there is something different that fella should do on behalf of the rest of the table, but frankly the whole last box thing makes me tear my hair out and say surely you get randomness.  Take a deck of cards, remove card A and card B.  Card A is just as likely to be a ten as card B ffs. 

is.........CORRECT.

One of THE most frustrating pieces of folk-lore ever.

At least we now know why Doobs is a tad thin on top. 

[JoeBeevers]

And with the 16 slices of pizza, how about they restrict but within reason? There is middle ground. Getting max £1.45 on a horse at Ascot or a golfer in The Open with PP or Sky is not middle ground. In Australia it's not unlimited bets for all punters, but given limits.

I think an 8 to 10 pizza slice restriction is fair, but then they shouldn't be allowed to call it 'an all you can eat' promo unless it says very clearly underneath (max 8 slices per person).

[RED-DOG]

A friend of mine was barred from an all you can eat Chinese buffet. Asked for an explanation, the owner replied, "You velly gleedy".

[Doobs]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

People that don't understand randomness and berate the fella in the last box on a blackjack table "for taking a card the dealer would have got".  Sit in the last box yourself if you think there is something different that fella should do on behalf of the rest of the table, but frankly the whole last box thing makes me tear my hair out and say surely you get randomness.  Take a deck of cards, remove card A and card B.  Card A is just as likely to be a ten as card B ffs. 

After the event surely the randomness is gone? You know exactly which card it would have been! I think people berate the last box as most aren't sharp enough to count through if seat 1 does something non standard, so the last box always gets it tight as it's more noticeable! FWIW I prefer the end box. Cannot claim not to get annoyed when someone hits on 15 when the dealers showing a 6 or something and it kills me! I also easily forget how many times someone's bad play ultra rewards me blackjack is a team game so I kept getting told by texans in Vegas....

There is a 6 card deck in front of you, which card is more likely to be a 10, the top one or the one below?  The answer is they are equally likely right now.  If the player at the end takes a card or not, the answer does not change.  The end player makes no difference at all to this probability.  Hence whatever "bad plays" he makes will make no difference to you in the long run.   Sometimes you will gain, sometimes you will lose because of this.  Focusing on what actually happened in one hand and aftertiming decisions based on that is obviously a terrible trait in a poker player.  Getting irritated by randomness at all is bad too... as is sitting at blackjack tables...

I'm thinking of adding a few to the no to staking list here. 

[arbboy]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

People that don't understand randomness and berate the fella in the last box on a blackjack table "for taking a card the dealer would have got".  Sit in the last box yourself if you think there is something different that fella should do on behalf of the rest of the table, but frankly the whole last box thing makes me tear my hair out and say surely you get randomness.  Take a deck of cards, remove card A and card B.  Card A is just as likely to be a ten as card B ffs.  

After the event surely the randomness is gone? You know exactly which card it would have been! I think people berate the last box as most aren't sharp enough to count through if seat 1 does something non standard, so the last box always gets it tight as it's more noticeable! FWIW I prefer the end box. Cannot claim not to get annoyed when someone hits on 15 when the dealers showing a 6 or something and it kills me! I also easily forget how many times someone's bad play ultra rewards me blackjack is a team game so I kept getting told by texans in Vegas....

There is a 6 card deck in front of you, which card is more likely to be a 10, the top one or the one below?  The answer is they are equally likely right now.  If the player at the end takes a card or not, the answer does not change.  The end player makes no difference at all to this probability.  Hence whatever "bad plays" he makes will make no difference to you in the long run.   Sometimes you will gain, sometimes you will lose because of this.  Focusing on what actually happened in one hand and aftertiming decisions based on that is obviously a terrible trait in a poker player.  Getting irritated by randomness at all is bad too... as is sitting at blackjack tables...

I'm thinking of adding a few to the no to staking list here.  

On the odd occasion i play bjack for entertainment if there is someone like this at the table i just snap leave and stop playing.  You know you are going to iron out 0.7% of your turnover if you play perfect strategy so when you are paying for a bit of entertainment when a clueless aftertimer like this is on the table i don't find it fun and just leave.   If these types actually spent less time worrying about the end box and actually knew how to play perfect strat blackjack they would lose slower and get more bang for their buck.  I don't think i have ever seen an aftertimer like these described who didn't have massive 'leaks' in his blackjack game.

[OverTheBorder]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

People that don't understand randomness and berate the fella in the last box on a blackjack table "for taking a card the dealer would have got".  Sit in the last box yourself if you think there is something different that fella should do on behalf of the rest of the table, but frankly the whole last box thing makes me tear my hair out and say surely you get randomness.  Take a deck of cards, remove card A and card B.  Card A is just as likely to be a ten as card B ffs. 

After the event surely the randomness is gone? You know exactly which card it would have been! I think people berate the last box as most aren't sharp enough to count through if seat 1 does something non standard, so the last box always gets it tight as it's more noticeable! FWIW I prefer the end box. Cannot claim not to get annoyed when someone hits on 15 when the dealers showing a 6 or something and it kills me! I also easily forget how many times someone's bad play ultra rewards me blackjack is a team game so I kept getting told by texans in Vegas....

There is a 6 card deck in front of you, which card is more likely to be a 10, the top one or the one below?  The answer is they are equally likely right now.  If the player at the end takes a card or not, the answer does not change.  The end player makes no difference at all to this probability.  Hence whatever "bad plays" he makes will make no difference to you in the long run.   Sometimes you will gain, sometimes you will lose because of this.  Focusing on what actually happened in one hand and aftertiming decisions based on that is obviously a terrible trait in a poker player.  Getting irritated by randomness at all is bad too... as is sitting at blackjack tables...

I'm thinking of adding a few to the no to staking list here. 

You may have noticed the slight tinge of sarcasm in the "easily forget how many times people's bad play ultra rewards me" I 100% get your point, just the concept of randomness goes out the window after 20 piña coladas

[JustinSayne]

Berating the fella in the last blackjack box is after timing at it's finest.

What does after timing mean?

Im guessing its similar to results bias?

[OverTheBorder]

Noobs playing the last box on black jack and busting the table

People that don't understand randomness and berate the fella in the last box on a blackjack table "for taking a card the dealer would have got".  Sit in the last box yourself if you think there is something different that fella should do on behalf of the rest of the table, but frankly the whole last box thing makes me tear my hair out and say surely you get randomness.  Take a deck of cards, remove card A and card B.  Card A is just as likely to be a ten as card B ffs. 

After the event surely the randomness is gone? You know exactly which card it would have been! I think people berate the last box as most aren't sharp enough to count through if seat 1 does something non standard, so the last box always gets it tight as it's more noticeable! FWIW I prefer the end box. Cannot claim not to get annoyed when someone hits on 15 when the dealers showing a 6 or something and it kills me! I also easily forget how many times someone's bad play ultra rewards me blackjack is a team game so I kept getting told by texans in Vegas....

There is a 6 card deck in front of you, which card is more likely to be a 10, the top one or the one below?  The answer is they are equally likely right now.  If the player at the end takes a card or not, the answer does not change.  The end player makes no difference at all to this probability.  Hence whatever "bad plays" he makes will make no difference to you in the long run.   Sometimes you will gain, sometimes you will lose because of this.  Focusing on what actually happened in one hand and aftertiming decisions based on that is obviously a terrible trait in a poker player.  Getting irritated by randomness at all is bad too... as is sitting at blackjack tables...

I'm thinking of adding a few to the no to staking list here. 

I never noticed the end comment, when I sent my previous reply, which was basically I can't be bothered debating but having noticed this now, I think I shall.

Now, first and foremost surely to get annoyed by things that annoy others must be by a pretty daft thing?  You have an analytical brain, does everyone have an analytical brain? do these concepts come easy to everyone?  Does that make you a better person than me?  I mean how shitty would the world be if everyone thought the same.  Should I get annoyed on a football pitch by those with less ability than me, because their brain and limbs do not coordinate as well as mine?  (nb likely to be the analytical thinkers...stereotypes FTW) Should an artist get annoyed by those less creative than them?  who do not understand how colours contrast?

Secondly, if it wasn't for us LOL punters, the maths gurus amongst us would have to make there living playing with spreadsheets and not arbing offers designed for people to enjoy horse races.  The industry requires us irrational compulsive types who throw our completely random thought process out there, or it would lose and die along with horse racing, greyhound racing and a lot of other things people take huge enjoyment in.

Thirdly, what right do you have to take ownership of my thoughts and opinions cause you once staked $60 on me, for which I returned 35% ROI?  That end comment is beyond douche, this is a forum, what possible point is there in me posting if I have to worry if every comment is going to mean I can't get a bit of staking when I need it?  By all means think it, but don't say it, just classless and petty.  I put up +ve staking packages on here (bar my LOL live attempts) sometimes offering my micro action at spot when I have a decent ROI over a large sample.  Why do I do that?  I enjoy community sweats and I like the thought of making people money

Fourthly, does every decision need to assume a infinite sample?  If I play blackjack once in a blue moon and crack £200 on the table from a usual stake of £10 and I am sitting on 20, dealer has 6, the end box takes a card on 15, catches a 10, and the dealer goes 10 and then 6?  I mean course I am going to be annoyed?  is that not just human nature nb do I berate said player? No, I am not confrontational like that (this message aside), but yeah I sit there thinking FFS

Fiffthly (not sue how to spell that, I don't think too good clearly) you have a maths thread and a top punting thread, this is a what things annoy you thread, so in my view not the place for rationale thought?  This is a poker forum 50% plus of us are likely LOL punters, let us LOL about if we want to, educate us on the punting threads FFS, if I cannot share my irrational views on a things that annoy me thread then where the fuck can I put them?

Sorry....I literally never get annoyed that much, but I sat stewing for 30 minutes and I don't need to be bummed out on my Sunday