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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2014, 02:55:47 PM » |
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If we replace Legia Warsaw with Real Madrid do we expect the same ruling ?
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2014, 03:07:39 PM » |
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If we replace Legia Warsaw with Real Madrid do we expect the same ruling ?
This was the point i made on TFT earlier before this thread started. Celtic are a much more attractive 'sell' to sponsors/tv companies/suits globally than Warsaw. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2014, 03:13:06 PM » |
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If we replace Legia Warsaw with Real Madrid do we expect the same ruling ?
No, never, nope, not a chance. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2014, 03:19:42 PM » |
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If we replace Legia Warsaw with Real Madrid do we expect the same ruling ?
It should be the same ruling and I would expect the same ruling but who knows? UEFA could do whatever they want. They could easily make some UEFA official a patsy. "Real Madrid ran the team past UEFA official, Mr XYZ and he confirmed that the team was officially cleared and sanctioned. Mr XYZ was acting without proper authorisation and has been relieved of his duties and Real Madrid will take their place in the group stages of the Champions League. Celtic will receive £20million pounds as compensation and UEFA regrets this unfortunate circumstance." I'm not saying they would do that but I guess they could. But UEFA are in a tough spot here. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. They adhered to their rules. It's very unfortunate for Legia but it's somewhat akin to a golfer signing his card wrong. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2014, 03:21:31 PM » |
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Rules are rules there is precedent for this sort of action.
I am a Celtic fan and don'twant back into the competition but the PLC are never going to say hey UEFA we understand they broke the rules but it had no impact on the game so we'll just go into the Europa League.
It's not the fault of Celtic that the administrators of the other club messed this up.
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2014, 03:39:49 PM » |
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Dont think the punishment fits the crime since it boils down to an admin error but I agree with the person earlier in the thread that said it, it has happened a few times in recent years and its crazy how UEFA dont communicate with clubs regularly to establish who cant and cant play in each game and to confirm that a player served 1 game of a suspension when they miss a game and stuff like that. Im surprised a match official of some sort wouldnt check over both team sheets before letting the players take the field. Seems way more sensible than watching them field the ineligible player and rendering the game useless when people have paid money to see it etc
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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2014, 03:45:48 PM » |
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The punishment is clearly disproportionate in this case, but it isn't the ruling that is bad, it is the rule book that has such a rigid punishment structure.
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Most of the bets placed so far seem more like hopeful punts rather than value spots
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2014, 03:46:04 PM » |
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The people quoting Real Madrid the same for Man united?
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2014, 03:46:51 PM » |
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What happens if you have laid Celtic at 1000/1 on betfair to win the champions league and it's been settled as a winning lay? Do you have to have £20k tied up for 6 months potentially to win £20 that you knew was going to be settled within an hour of the bet being struck and your money released for other trades?
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2014, 04:03:32 PM » |
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In Football Manager 2014, I'm never 100% sure which players are eligible/ineligible until it comes time to actually register them. However once they do register, if the player is ineligible, the computer just says no.
UEFA could introduce some sort of official computerised system along the same lines, I would have thought.
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2014, 04:40:26 PM » |
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Simple thing to do. Would cost them pennies to implement. Just like the refs with the shaving foam.
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2014, 04:43:55 PM » |
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Being cynical its better for UEFA if clubs break the rules, can fine them and put it towards the xmas night out etc
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2014, 05:12:31 PM » |
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Joke decision. The rules need looking at. But then, I've heard that said for years now.
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2014, 05:22:07 PM » |
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The system being spoken about being implemented on here assumes responsibility lies with UEFA to ensure teams don't field ineligible/suspended players but the responsibility clearly lies with the clubs. That's why clubs employ administrators/secretaries, it's not rocket science. There have hardly been any examples of this over god knows how many years of UEFA comps, just another example of people not taking responsibility for there actions.
The punishment is definitely harsh on Legia but the rule couldn't been be any clearer, they messed up no one else.
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2014, 06:18:43 PM » |
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UEFA have a duty to the paying fans, the sponsors, the TV companies, etc., to provide a product that isn't a complete farce.
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