Celtic - reinstated into the CL

[Ironside]

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

[Teacake]

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

No it hasn't. The Sion case was completely different, they were well aware that they were playing 5 ineligible players and chose to do so anyway.  Do you have any other examples?

[kinboshi]

Yes, it has happened a number of times when it was discovered after the match. I obviously don't know how many times it's happened and not been noticed (obviously).

My point is that a system to prevent it from happening would cost peanuts to an organisation running a multi-billion pound competition. It's a "no brainer".

The same way that goal-line technology costs peanuts to help the officials ensure the right result happens and perfectly good goals aren't disallowed (or vice versa) affecting the outcome of massive games. 

[Bazzaboy]

It's hard to have sympathy for Legia. Given what's at stake it's schoolboy stuff and whoever is responsible has been very negligent. Punishment may be harsh but thems the rules.

[Kmac84]

Didn't say I disagree with the punishment or not.  Legia broke the rules, and should be punished in one way or another as is deemed suitable.

Doesn't detract from the fact that UEFA are incompetent.

They were competent in this case though, Legia were punished exactly as their rules specify.

No, they weren't competent. They let it happen in the first place.

Yes, they applied the rule correctly, but if they were adequately competent they would have a process in place to prevent this from happening and thus avoiding the negative consequences to stakeholders.

Are you just arguementative or genuinley lacking of some cells.  Its not UEFA's responsibility to check every squad handed into them.  FFS man get a grip. 

I won't drop to your level of ad hominem attack, you clearly are unable to see a very clear point that others have also mentioned and agreed with.

Yes, UEFA should be able to run every team sheet handed to them though a very simple system that checks a database in seconds and tells them if there are any ineligible players named. The club can then be punished if necessary, but at least the integrity of the game is maintained and it isn't rendered null and void.

You say I'm lacking brain cells by expecting UEFA to check that teams playing in their competition are abiding by their rules? Yeah that sounds like a bonkers idea to me...

Referees count the number of players on the pitch before a match. Surely that's for the teams to get right, why would the UEFA officials have to do that? Why not wait until after the match and then watch a video of it and punish any infringements retrospectively?

Well I wouldn't have to stoop to that level if you weren't been completely ignorant to the fact that this isn't a major ssue its not upto UEFA to sort this out its upto the club secrataries and administrators.  Otherwise what't the point in having them, if there is any issue over the registration/eligibility of a player then I am pretty sure they can approach UEFA for guidance.  

[Ironside]

welfare teams getting into the cheating lark too now

http://insidemoray.co.uk/elgin-welfare-side-cheat-shame-as-they-are-kicked-out-of-cup-competition/

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

No it hasn't. The Sion case was completely different, they were well aware that they were playing 5 ineligible players and chose to do so anyway.  Do you have any other examples?

Debrecen Litex Lovech  Debrecen got away with a 15,000 fine and remained in the compertition

[Teacake]

Yes, it has happened a number of times when it was discovered after the match. I obviously don't know how many times it's happened and not been noticed (obviously).

My point is that a system to prevent it from happening would cost peanuts to an organisation running a multi-billion pound competition. It's a "no brainer".

The same way that goal-line technology costs peanuts to help the officials ensure the right result happens and perfectly good goals aren't disallowed (or vice versa) affecting the outcome of massive games. 

I'm not against the system that you are proposing, I don't think it is needed but if they introduce it then fine no problem. The point I'm taking issue with is that you are calling UEFA incompetant in this particular case when they are clearly not.

And it hasn't happened on a number of occasions it has happened once before, believe me Celtic fans were all over this and could only come up with one other example.

[Kmac84]

welfare teams getting into the cheating lark too now

http://insidemoray.co.uk/elgin-welfare-side-cheat-shame-as-they-are-kicked-out-of-cup-competition/

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

No it hasn't. The Sion case was completely different, they were well aware that they were playing 5 ineligible players and chose to do so anyway.  Do you have any other examples?

Debrecen Litex Lovech  Debrecen got away with a 15,000 fine and remained in the compertition

Really?  Exactly the same incident? 

[Teacake]

welfare teams getting into the cheating lark too now

http://insidemoray.co.uk/elgin-welfare-side-cheat-shame-as-they-are-kicked-out-of-cup-competition/

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

No it hasn't. The Sion case was completely different, they were well aware that they were playing 5 ineligible players and chose to do so anyway.  Do you have any other examples?

Debrecen Litex Lovech  Debrecen got away with a 15,000 fine and remained in the compertition

Debrecen fielded an ineligible player and were fined as per the rules. Legia fielded a suspended player and forfeited the game 3-0 as per the rules.

This may sound like semantics but the rules are very clear on the distinction between the two.

[Ironside]

welfare teams getting into the cheating lark too now

http://insidemoray.co.uk/elgin-welfare-side-cheat-shame-as-they-are-kicked-out-of-cup-competition/

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

No it hasn't. The Sion case was completely different, they were well aware that they were playing 5 ineligible players and chose to do so anyway.  Do you have any other examples?

Debrecen Litex Lovech  Debrecen got away with a 15,000 fine and remained in the compertition

Really?  Exactly the same incident? 

from the Scotsman

However, there is a precedent that suggests there is no cut-and-dried policy ensuring that a club guilty of fielding an ineligible player must forfeit the tie. In 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest by opponents Litex Lovech, who argued that the Hungarian side should be kicked out of the tournament.

Debrecen stressed that they had fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were already leading 4-1 on aggregate. Uefa ruled that Debrecen had “no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour”.

[Ironside]

welfare teams getting into the cheating lark too now

http://insidemoray.co.uk/elgin-welfare-side-cheat-shame-as-they-are-kicked-out-of-cup-competition/

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

No it hasn't. The Sion case was completely different, they were well aware that they were playing 5 ineligible players and chose to do so anyway.  Do you have any other examples?

Debrecen Litex Lovech  Debrecen got away with a 15,000 fine and remained in the compertition

Debrecen fielded an ineligible player and were fined as per the rules. Legia fielded a suspended player and forfeited the game 3-0 as per the rules.

This may sound like semantics but the rules are very clear on the distinction between the two.

your now twisting it

I said that it happens that players get played that shouldn't in atleast 3 times in uefa comps that I knew of and I hadn't looked into after someone said it was the first time

its clearly not the first time, if the checks boshi had suggested were in place the 3 ties would of been processed as normal instead of being sorted out off the field

[Kmac84]

welfare teams getting into the cheating lark too now

http://insidemoray.co.uk/elgin-welfare-side-cheat-shame-as-they-are-kicked-out-of-cup-competition/

So UEFA are incompetant because they don't have a process in place to stop something that has pretty much never happened before in literally 1000s of their games. If this was some complicated process that was being repeatedly breached then fair enough but it simply hasn't been an issue.

its happens a few times a seasons in domestic football and happened atleast 3 times now in uefa compertition including 2x involving celtic

No it hasn't. The Sion case was completely different, they were well aware that they were playing 5 ineligible players and chose to do so anyway.  Do you have any other examples?

Debrecen Litex Lovech  Debrecen got away with a 15,000 fine and remained in the compertition

Debrecen fielded an ineligible player and were fined as per the rules. Legia fielded a suspended player and forfeited the game 3-0 as per the rules.

This may sound like semantics but the rules are very clear on the distinction between the two.

your now twisting it

I said that it happens that players get played that shouldn't in atleast 3 times in uefa comps that I knew of and I hadn't looked into after someone said it was the first time

its clearly not the first time, if the checks boshi had suggested were in place the 3 ties would of been processed as normal instead of being sorted out off the field

Twisting?  I think not sir.  It seems like your confused over the rules, the same way you are over what team you support. 

[Teacake]

I haven't twisted anything, I can't help it if you keep posting examples that are clearly not the same as the Legia case. If you are posting something that is factually incorrect then expect to be challenged on it.

[Ironside]

I haven't twisted anything, I can't help it if you keep posting examples that are clearly not the same as the Legia case. If you are posting something that is factually incorrect then expect to be challenged on it.

I pointed out that on at least 3 occasions in UEFA competitions uefa running checks on team sheets before a game would of solved problems which needed solving off the pitch which is what kinboshi says is a farce

it is a farce and its happening enough times now in domestic and uefa comps that a safe guard should be in place to stop it happening and turning the "uefa lets get the rich richer and lock everyone else out" league becoming more of a farce than it already is

your the only one trying to compare it to the warsaw game

[Teacake]

I haven't twisted anything, I can't help it if you keep posting examples that are clearly not the same as the Legia case. If you are posting something that is factually incorrect then expect to be challenged on it.

I pointed out that on at least 3 occasions in UEFA competitions uefa running checks on team sheets before a game would of solved problems which needed solving off the pitch which is what kinboshi says is a farce

it is a farce and its happening enough times now in domestic and uefa comps that a safe guard should be in place to stop it happening and turning the "uefa lets get the rich richer and lock everyone else out" league becoming more of a farce than it already is

your the only one trying to compare it to the warsaw game

  You're all over the place here, which to be fair isn't unusual