Stoke City FC

[TheDazzler]

Stokies got a shot at top 4? 

Seems no reason why they can't spurs and man utd looking vulnerable.  Potentially Leicester could have a downturn as well of course.  2 spots all to play for imo.

I think their points total on the spread is an incredible buy tbh.  Still think we are underestimated.  We have dropped 6 points to WBA having 3 men sent off in the 2 games.  The home game was incredible down to 9 men in the first half and only lost 1-0.  I think top 4 is a bit toppy tbh but i think we will finish above some teams that are in for more spreads than we are currently.

You've mentioned that WBA game about 10 times on here
Wow, that's incred - why didn't you mention that before?

Whooshed here!  Kindly explain.  Sure it is a rub.

[exstream]

Hmm
I thought it was about 11 times lol

[dino1980]

I can't see Stoke finishing anywhere near the top four & you're probably a coin flip for top half IMO.. On Dec 27th Michael Caley's xg projected EPL table had them projected to finish twelfth. In that model there's only 3 points between 8th-13th spots, I'd be shocked if Stoke finish outside of that band.

In fact looking at the link below an aggregate of the analytics models have you exactly 50% to finish top half & a 9% chance of top six.

http://statsbomb.com/2016/01/a-compilation-of-epl-model-predictions-after-round-2038/

[TightEnd]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

[arbboy]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

Maybe not accepting that Ryan didn't do it on purpose?  Ever since he has been a total pro and never once looked like deliberately injuring an opponent.  I want to know why the issue is constantly brought up by the media every time Arsenal arrive at the Brit and never leave with 3 points.

[TightEnd]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

Maybe not accepting that Ryan didn't do it on purpose?  Ever since he has been a total pro and never once looked like deliberately injuring an opponent.  I want to know why the issue is constantly brought up by the media every time Arsenal arrive at the Brit and never leave with 3 points.

because the Stoke fans don't drop the issue, and boo Ramsey for the whole game?

the Stoke fans make it an issue the media can hardly avoid, every time

its beyond boring and particularly stupid. accepting that many stoke fans won't boo, but a lot do

[arbboy]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

Maybe not accepting that Ryan didn't do it on purpose?  Ever since he has been a total pro and never once looked like deliberately injuring an opponent.  I want to know why the issue is constantly brought up by the media every time Arsenal arrive at the Brit and never leave with 3 points.

because the Stoke fans don't drop the issue, and boo Ramsey for the whole game?

the Stoke fans make it an issue the media can hardly avoid, every time

its beyond boring and particularly stupid. accepting that many stoke fans won't boo, but a lot do

The biggest issue with Stoke fans imo is AW calling us a rugby team.  That probably creates the tension which leads to Ramsey getting more shit from the fans than he should all these years on.  Most stoke fans are hardly in the top 10% iq wise.  Let's be fair.

[baldock92]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

Maybe not accepting that Ryan didn't do it on purpose?  Ever since he has been a total pro and never once looked like deliberately injuring an opponent.  I want to know why the issue is constantly brought up by the media every time Arsenal arrive at the Brit and never leave with 3 points.

+1. If Wenger wouldn't have made the comments also I doubt this would be half the issue it still seems to be today.

[TightEnd]

Well under Pulis you did rough teams up in stylistic terms not necesarily a dirty team....

narrowed the pitch for a couple of years, played it long, battled for everything, Delap's throws etc etc

haven't heard AW criticise them since Hughes has spent 18 months changing the style of play and the club recruiting shaqiri, bojan, afellay, arnautovic etc etc though

Fans should move on, the club has under Hughes.

[baldock92]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

Maybe not accepting that Ryan didn't do it on purpose?  Ever since he has been a total pro and never once looked like deliberately injuring an opponent.  I want to know why the issue is constantly brought up by the media every time Arsenal arrive at the Brit and never leave with 3 points.

because the Stoke fans don't drop the issue, and boo Ramsey for the whole game?

the Stoke fans make it an issue the media can hardly avoid, every time

its beyond boring and particularly stupid. accepting that many stoke fans won't boo, but a lot do

The biggest issue with Stoke fans imo is AW calling us a rugby team.  That probably creates the tension which leads to Ramsey getting more shit from the fans than he should all these years on.  Most stoke fans are hardly in the top 10% iq wise.  Let's be fair.

Just seen you already raised the point regarding Wenger, apologies.

I'm pretty sure that if arsenal fans could drop the grudge the Ramsey boos would die down. 99% of arsenal fans can't help but snap bring up the leg break from nearly 6 years ago, it gets frustrating having the same shitty conversation. Some fans then perhaps use Ramsey as the scapegoat. Pretty low IQ of gooners to keep bringing the incident up imo.

FWIW I don't agree with the Ramsey boo's at all, but understand why some fans do.

[arbboy]

Well under Pulis you did rough teams up in stylistic terms not necesarily a dirty team....

narrowed the pitch for a couple of years, played it long, battled for everything, Delap's throws etc etc

haven't heard AW criticise them since Hughes has spent 18 months changing the style of play and the club recruiting shaqiri, bojan, afellay, arnautovic etc etc though

Fans should move on, the club has under Hughes.

Wenger couldn't beat us at home under either gaffer.  It has probably helped contribute to him not winning the title.  It might do again this year.  He doesn't like coming to Stoke.  I don't blame him.  We don't like him coming here and talking his rubbish about us either.  Very funny when he arrives this year Stoke gets it's first blast of snow this winter.  Would have paid money to see his face when he opened the curtains from his penthouse hotel suite in the Stoke premier inn at Trentham Lakes yesterday morning to see 3 inches of white stuff on the floor.

[baldock92]

Well under Pulis you did rough teams up in stylistic terms not necesarily a dirty team....

narrowed the pitch for a couple of years, played it long, battled for everything, Delap's throws etc etc

haven't heard AW criticise them since Hughes has spent 18 months changing the style of play and the club recruiting shaqiri, bojan, afellay, arnautovic etc etc though

Fans should move on, the club has under Hughes.

Just as equally arsenal fans as Stoke fans surely?

[arbboy]

I put the over/under at 5 mins for the first 'swing low' sung by the stokies at the ground yesterday in the pub.  Made up comfortably under that quote for the Stoke judges who sold heavily with me.

[Knottikay]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

Maybe not accepting that Ryan didn't do it on purpose?  Ever since he has been a total pro and never once looked like deliberately injuring an opponent.  I want to know why the issue is constantly brought up by the media every time Arsenal arrive at the Brit and never leave with 3 points.

+1. If Wenger wouldn't have made the comments also I doubt this would be half the issue it still seems to be today.

+2

I was at that game when the accidental break happened. Shawcross has been more or a pro prior and since this incident than Ramsey will ever be. Arsenal fans, media, and their manager 'stir' it all the time when playing Stoke now. The Stoke fans just giving some back. Old school banter maybe, but not in the top 100 of abusive songs I have heard at matches in my time by all kinds of different fans or clubs.


* edit -All the above aside, good interviews (IMO) from both keepers after. Respect given by both for THE GAME.

[baldock92]

Shawcross breaks Ramsey's leg in a particularly ill-tempered match at the wonderful world of wind a few years ago

Ramsey, passions inflamed by a war of words from Wenger and Pulis after the game, refused to make up with Shawcross while lie-ing in his hospital bed

to this day when Arsenal visit the windy place Ramsey gets dogs abuse

completely OTT

isn't this particularly thick, by the stoke fans? what has Ramsey done wrong?

what do they also boo Monreal?

Maybe not accepting that Ryan didn't do it on purpose?  Ever since he has been a total pro and never once looked like deliberately injuring an opponent.  I want to know why the issue is constantly brought up by the media every time Arsenal arrive at the Brit and never leave with 3 points.

+1. If Wenger wouldn't have made the comments also I doubt this would be half the issue it still seems to be today.

+2

I was at that game when the accidental break happened. Shawcross has been more or a pro prior and since this incident than Ramsey will ever be. Arsenal fans, media, and their manager 'stir' it all the time when playing Stoke now. The Stoke fans just giving some back. Old school banter maybe, but not in the top 100 of abusive songs I have heard at matches in my time by all kinds of different fans or clubs.

I think it's beyond banter but still understand that fans want to do something to get back at the shitty way it was dealt with. I was also at the match, I was in row 7 directly by where it happened. I can assure you no single stoke fan had any malice towards Ramsey or an individual player that day- it's the afters which catalysed the reaction.