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« on: September 11, 2014, 10:11:53 PM »

Playing the Stockton GUKPT 25/25

It's 300/600-50

Average is showing on the board at 32,000

I start the hand with 28k.

UTG is chip leader on the table with 60k he makes it 2200 to play.

There are 5 (yes, five is not a typo!) callers - all have somewhere around chip average.

I'm in the bb. I squeeze open KK.

Been playing a long time never encountered a spot like this before.

What should I do?


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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2014, 10:13:20 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 10:23:45 PM »

7k get two callers and dodge the case ace.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2014, 10:23:54 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2014, 10:28:49 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2014, 10:30:30 PM »

Yes, on reflection jamming was the right play I think.

I went down the Tal route (which always a dangerous route to travel in my experience).

But it begs the question.. how many chips would I need to have before jamming was not the correct move? (Surely if I have 60k too, shoving isn't the way to go is it?)

And if I have that many chips, how much do I raise it by?
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2014, 10:36:49 PM »

wow you guys seriously want to jam?

id make it 8500
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2014, 10:40:14 PM »

At the risk of sounding like some of these kids on the PHA threads...

There are so many free chips on offer in these comps. You have to be able to back yourself to win pots in spots like this against one or two players. Why jam and make 13k when you can basically double up with a squeeze and CBetJam?

In a £500 comp, I understand the shove more, but these comps are in my experience highly varied in ability by £200 standards. Lots of local qualifiers, hence the 5 callers Smiley

Gotta stack dem chips.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2014, 10:46:24 PM »

At the risk of sounding like some of these kids on the PHA threads...

There are so many free chips on offer in these comps. You have to be able to back yourself to win pots in spots like this against one or two players. Why jam and make 13k when you can basically double up with a squeeze and CBetJam?

In a £500 comp, I understand the shove more, but these comps are in my experience highly varied in ability by £200 standards. Lots of local qualifiers, hence the 5 callers Smiley

Gotta stack dem chips.

TBH I found the standard of play alot better than I expected. Maybe because I suck nowadays.

But this was really the only LOLZ hand in the six hours I was in the event.

I guess once the first guy had called, small pairs and suited connectors went up in value incrementally as more people called.

The button can call with virtually any two cards that vaguely resemble one another.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2014, 11:08:45 PM »

At the risk of sounding like some of these kids on the PHA threads...

There are so many free chips on offer in these comps. You have to be able to back yourself to win pots in spots like this against one or two players. Why jam and make 13k when you can basically double up with a squeeze and CBetJam?

In a £500 comp, I understand the shove more, but these comps are in my experience highly varied in ability by £200 standards. Lots of local qualifiers, hence the 5 callers Smiley

Gotta stack dem chips.

TBH I found the standard of play alot better than I expected. Maybe because I suck nowadays.

But this was really the only LOLZ hand in the six hours I was in the event.

I guess once the first guy had called, small pairs and suited connectors went up in value incrementally as more people called.

The button can call with virtually any two cards that vaguely resemble one another.

Fair enough. You know what the table was like.

I'm just very rarely expecting to be called when I shove here. People don't want to go out and I'd expect tens and AQ to fold most of the time and to be shown AK/JJ hitting the muck at least as often as I am against them.

Fine enough to add basically 50% to your stack, but I can't believe it's optimal.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2014, 11:13:25 PM »

I am jamming if my stack is less than 35k.  making it 9000 if my stack is above 35k.  I had a very similar pot in the £500 turbo at dtd at the sky event which i cried about for a while after getting snapped by aq off and not holding.   You will get called by a lot worse in these spots and you are never butchering the hand shoving imo.   By making it 8500 out of 28000 you are playing your hand a lot more face up imo at this level and will likely get less action than just shoving.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2014, 11:17:17 PM »

Jam, and if he calls with AQ, call him names and post his hendon mob all over the internet.

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2014, 11:18:44 PM »

Jam, and if he calls with AQ, call him names and post his hendon mob all over the internet.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2014, 11:22:19 PM »

Only five callers? Some of the field must have been from out of town.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2014, 11:41:41 PM »

Make it 10k exactly. Jamming is a pussy option imo Cheesy Loses so much value.
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