A Taxing debate

[Doobs]

Should we have a thread about taxi on the forum at this time?

Not sure what you mean, Mr L. Have I been whooshed by the BITB?

Think he is talking about this

[pleno1]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

[AlunB]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

^ This is mildly hysterical mr leno

They are not doing "lots of negative stuff" to our industry. The UK government is trying to claw back some of the lost revenue when everyone took the p*** and f***ed off to Gibraltar so they didn't have to pay any tax.

Elsewhere it's totally reasonable and sensible that governments attempt to control and regulate online gambling.

[pleno1]

Governments not necessarily our government.

And I guess I mean stuff that immediately negatively effects a lot of people on the forum, including those itt.

[tikay]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

Ahh, gotcha. You typed "taxi debate" which sort of curve-balled me, sorry.

I think you are being a shade paranoid here & I don't agree that it is unwise to discuss this.

I can't imagine that anything written on a two bit poker forum will change how Governments think. It'll be on others forums, too. We can't really censure or ban such a debate because we think it might be bad for us.

Some folks believe that we should not discuss Bookmakers tactics on Fred, as they think the bookies spend all day surfing blonde in case someone gets £10 @ 5/1 on a 4/1 shot. I don't buy that either, not for a second. The bigger bookies are taking bets via automated software processes, in the run up to big events they are taking thousands of "BPM" ("Bets Per Minute"). The notion that they have a little man sitting there, spying on blonde, can't be serious.

Same with the UK Government, or the Tax people, they have better things to do than read every UK "specialist" forum.

For the record, I think regulation, broadly speaking, is not only very necessary & overdue, I think it is a good thing.

I do regret that some players will be inconvenienced, &/or negatively impacted, but it is what it is, it is needed.

[AlunB]

Governments not necessarily our government.

And I guess I mean stuff that immediately negatively effects a lot of people on the forum, including those itt.

Such as?

I think the days of online poker being, essentially, an unregulated free for all are long gone. This is the new world, and frankly there is more positive momentum in Europe than negative from regulators and governments towards the game as far as I can see.

[simonnatur]

The documents here are interesting as they capture some of the debate within Government regarding proposed taxation of Professional Gamblers on Betfair some years ago:
http://www.hblb.org.uk/documents/87_Responses_to_HMCustoms&ExciseConsultation2002.pdf

Beware though there are 209 pages of it and you may find several hours of your life disappear if you download it. Lots of interesting stuff about the Bookmaking Industry in general and impact of Betfair on it.

[The Camel]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

Ahh, gotcha. You typed "taxi debate" which sort of curve-balled me, sorry.

I think you are being a shade paranoid here & I don't agree that it is unwise to discuss this.

I can't imagine that anything written on a two bit poker forum will change how Governments think. It'll be on others forums, too. We can't really censure or ban such a debate because we think it might be bad for us.

Some folks believe that we should not discuss Bookmakers tactics on Fred, as they think the bookies spend all day surfing blonde in case someone gets £10 @ 5/1 on a 4/1 shot. I don't buy that either, not for a second. The bigger bookies are taking bets via automated software processes, in the run up to big events they are taking thousands of "BPM" ("Bets Per Minute"). The notion that they have a little man sitting there, spying on blonde, can't be serious.

Same with the UK Government, or the Tax people, they have better things to do than read every UK "specialist" forum.

For the record, I think regulation, broadly speaking, is not only very necessary & overdue, I think it is a good thing.

I do regret that some players will be inconvenienced, &/or negatively impacted, but it is what it is, it is needed.

How come a "major" bookmaker asked Blonde to delete one of my posts then?

[pleno1]

I know the guys from betfred, bet365, willhill very very well from my time in Gibraltar and hats exactly the kind of stuff they will be doing. I'd guess that somebody form each of the above logs on t blonde every day.

[AlunB]

I know the guys from betfred, bet365, willhill very very well from my time in Gibraltar and hats exactly the kind of stuff they will be doing. I'd guess that somebody form each of the above logs on t blonde every day.

bet365 don't have any sportsbook guys in gib do they?

[tikay]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

Ahh, gotcha. You typed "taxi debate" which sort of curve-balled me, sorry.

I think you are being a shade paranoid here & I don't agree that it is unwise to discuss this.

I can't imagine that anything written on a two bit poker forum will change how Governments think. It'll be on others forums, too. We can't really censure or ban such a debate because we think it might be bad for us.

Some folks believe that we should not discuss Bookmakers tactics on Fred, as they think the bookies spend all day surfing blonde in case someone gets £10 @ 5/1 on a 4/1 shot. I don't buy that either, not for a second. The bigger bookies are taking bets via automated software processes, in the run up to big events they are taking thousands of "BPM" ("Bets Per Minute"). The notion that they have a little man sitting there, spying on blonde, can't be serious.

Same with the UK Government, or the Tax people, they have better things to do than read every UK "specialist" forum.

For the record, I think regulation, broadly speaking, is not only very necessary & overdue, I think it is a good thing.

I do regret that some players will be inconvenienced, &/or negatively impacted, but it is what it is, it is needed.

How come a "major" bookmaker asked Blonde to delete one of my posts then?

Very good.

Well they sponsored blonde at the time, so that may have had a bearing on matters. Bookies sure as hell don't have hordes of staff monitoring forums. 

   

[pleno1]

I've ever read papers when I used to work in poker expat that had reports on blonde poker and comparisons etc, there is a lot of people with a lot of time on these jobs.

[DaveShoelace]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.

[AlunB]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

Ahh, gotcha. You typed "taxi debate" which sort of curve-balled me, sorry.

I think you are being a shade paranoid here & I don't agree that it is unwise to discuss this.

I can't imagine that anything written on a two bit poker forum will change how Governments think. It'll be on others forums, too. We can't really censure or ban such a debate because we think it might be bad for us.

Some folks believe that we should not discuss Bookmakers tactics on Fred, as they think the bookies spend all day surfing blonde in case someone gets £10 @ 5/1 on a 4/1 shot. I don't buy that either, not for a second. The bigger bookies are taking bets via automated software processes, in the run up to big events they are taking thousands of "BPM" ("Bets Per Minute"). The notion that they have a little man sitting there, spying on blonde, can't be serious.

Same with the UK Government, or the Tax people, they have better things to do than read every UK "specialist" forum.

For the record, I think regulation, broadly speaking, is not only very necessary & overdue, I think it is a good thing.

I do regret that some players will be inconvenienced, &/or negatively impacted, but it is what it is, it is needed.

How come a "major" bookmaker asked Blonde to delete one of my posts then?

Very good.

Well they sponsored blonde at the time, so that may have had a bearing on matters. Bookies sure as hell don't have hordes of staff monitoring forums. 

   

Sky Bet almost certainly doesn't, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of the more old-school trader heavy books spend a chunk of time looking at forums and twitter

[TightEnd]

I mean at a time where governments are doing lots of negative stuff to the industry I'm sure their experts are swooping around forums etc, do we need to have a huge debate in here. Maybe best to say nothing kind of thing.

The recent banning of auto top up for UK players would suggest to me that the UK government knows very little about poker, and probably don't know anything about poker forums.

care to link to your article?

the submission to the UKGC was very interesting