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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2014, 11:24:25 AM »

I do this a lot, thinking that every opener has AK. Not sure it has been profitable long term.

It's funnier with two spades, when you are right.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2014, 12:46:58 AM »

turn looks like a pretty clear fold?
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2014, 02:12:40 PM »

turn looks like a pretty clear fold?

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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2014, 02:18:11 PM »

turn looks like a pretty clear fold?

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...because he isn't doing it without a made hand very often? Why wouldn't he bet again if we're going to fold weak tens and worse?

Betting the turn must be massively profitable in these tournaments if so many people will only call one street.

I still think I should have folded the turn, but I don't regret the hand as I played it, if that makes sense?
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2014, 02:32:15 PM »

Noone just like folding pre flop? Don't feel we are deep enough to successfully set mine and vs an UTG raising range can be difficult to play without hitting a set.

Of course villian could continue with some of his bluff range on the turn QJ or KQ, think he may slow down with AK/AQ/AJ or at least not bet the river them.

In summary I would just fold pre due to stack depths and UTG raising range plus we are not closing action.
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2014, 04:57:38 PM »

If you image is very tight like you say didn't you think of 3bet folding pre if you were just going to call off your stack all the way down anyway?
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2014, 06:05:42 PM »

why would you choose 77 to 3bet fold? It's a really really bad hand to 3bet fold. When you 3bet and you want him to fold its not because you have the best hand so must win its because you want him to fold. The outcome you want is for him to fold his hand not for the best hand to rightfully win. A2>>>>>>>>>>77 to 3bet fold. I wouldnt 3bf a2 fwiw.
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2014, 06:21:00 PM »

He is stoic and is holding his cards together with both hands, fingers spread and facing fully forwards. No eye contact.

btw this is pretty stnd live tell = strength, for me anyways.
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2014, 07:15:17 PM »

Do we have to stick to poker or is general ridicule OK?
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2014, 07:31:06 PM »

Do we have to stick to poker or is general ridicule OK?

Look, I think what is important - what the PHA people believe is important - is that it is fair to say a man with an overflowing cesspit can spot something that's FOS, so I'd say stick to poker.
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2014, 08:57:24 PM »

Do we have to stick to poker or is general ridicule OK?

Look, I think what is important - what the PHA people believe is important - is that it is fair to say a man with an overflowing cesspit can spot something that's FOS, so I'd say stick to poker.


Conjecture.
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2014, 09:37:04 PM »

Do we have to stick to poker or is general ridicule OK?

Look, I think what is important - what the PHA people believe is important - is that it is fair to say a man with an overflowing cesspit can spot something that's FOS, so I'd say stick to poker.


Conjecture.

See, this is the problem with 3 betting when you don't want to get 4 bet.
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2014, 11:19:08 PM »

This is an absolute bucket of shit! If he throws shit at you you throw shit back, you start a shit fight!  You throw so much shit back that he can't see shit, throw shit, pick up shit or do shit!!!

Hope this helps.

Hang on. Just realised who this is!

Have been wondering who would write such incoherent rubbish, but then I realised it was odd I hadn't heard from you...

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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2014, 12:25:06 PM »

25/25. £200+20 buy in. Day 1b. 5 minutes left of level 9 of 10 for the day. Blinds 600/1,200/100. Eight handed.

We have 50k, which is about average.

UTG (43k) has been active of late, managing to pretty much double up without showing a card in the last couple of orbits. Early thirties, lives reasonably locally and has spoken a reasonable game. He opens to the table standard of 3,000.

Folded to the button, which is me. I have  and have a tight image. I decide to call. Blinds fold. (8,600 in the pot)

Flop 

He bets 3,500. I call. He is stoic and is holding his cards together with both hands, fingers spread and facing fully forwards. No eye contact. (15,600)

Turn 

He thinks for a while. Maybe 10 seconds. Now bets 6,800. I decide if I was good on the flop, I'm good on the turn, so call again. (29,200)

River 

He dwells again for about ten seconds, before shoving (about the pot, if you're keeping track). He's not superconfident and he's not trying to deceive me with his body language.

I decide to call and he shows 

Having essentially dumped an average stack into the guy's lap, I'm contemplating whether I should have done what the little guy on the other shoulder was telling me to do and fold. I was convinced he didn't have AA/KK or better but he wasn't showing me any real weakness. I wonder whether curiosity has done me.

My final reasoning was: it's AT/JJ or I'm ahead. Getting 2:1, it was the right call to make and the fact I'm now grumpily sitting in the bar is just results-oriented misery.

Fire away!
Refreshing to read such a well written PHA.
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