Ched Evans

[RED-DOG]

it has no bearing.

I was merely using your logic to show how It can be used to come to the exact opposite conclusions you initially drew.

When that can happen, you know you aren't standing on rational bedrock.

"I came home and my house was burgled"

Do you go out a lot

"Yes"

Have you ever been burgled before?

"No"

Then it's unlikely you were burgled tonight.

"I came home and my house was burgled"

Do you go out a lot

"Yes"

Have you ever been burgled before?

"Yes"

Do you usually leave all your doors and windows open?

"Yes"

Then it's likely you were burgled tonight.

[DungBeetle]

What really clouds all of the issues here is that she awoke naked and alone in the hotel room with no memory of what happened that previous night.

She subsequently said that she thought her drink must have been spiked in the club but still didn't say anything about any rape and there was no forensic or DNA evidence.

If those two statements are true I find it hard to understand how CE was convicted in the first place.

He said he had sex with her.

The CPS claimed she was in no fit state to consent to sex, therefore it must be rape.

She never claimed she was raped, she maintained she had no recollection of the night, just woke up naked, alone and not knowing where she was.

I really feel like the victim blaming and demands for her to be sent to jail absolutely vile. She didn't accuse Evans of anything.

Any sympathy for the guy locked up for a crime where he has now been cleared Camel? 

[teddybloat]

Yo but that's a random machine. If the bb has folded to ur sb jam for the last six orbits do you jam again and why?

Somebody who goes to bars every night and has a lot of casual sex with strangers does make consent more likely than a virgin who stays at home. It's certainly not definitive at all but it is certainly more likely than a coin flip ever being anything other than a 50/50

Again using you poker analogy,

A person has had sex 1000 times and never claimed rape.

Her rape hud would show 0/1000

Pretty conclusive that she isn't likely to falsify a rape right there, no?

Either she was raped or she wasn't. You can't say that as a woman has consented lots in the past it makes it less likely she was raped, I can't even fathom how you would believe that it could. Each event is independent. Consensual sex represents times a woman seeks sex, rape is when it is forced upon her. The two aren't flipsides of the same coin.

You portray consensual sex a close alternative to being raped where enjoying the former makes it less likely that you suffer the latter.

[RED-DOG]

Either she was raped or she wasn't.

Give the jury all the available information and let them decide.

[teddybloat]

it has no bearing.

I was merely using your logic to show how It can be used to come to the exact opposite conclusions you initially drew.

When that can happen, you know you aren't standing on rational bedrock.

"I came home and my house was burgled"

Do you go out a lot

"Yes"

Have you ever been burgled before?

"No"

Then it's unlikely you were burgled tonight.

"I came home and my house was burgled"

Do you go out a lot



"Yes"

Have you ever been burgled before?

"Yes"

Do you usually leave all your doors and windows open?

"Yes"

Then it's likely you were burgled tonight.

Do you see the enjoyment of sex as an invitation to rape?

Do you see the enjoying of sex to be as reckless as leaving all your windows and doors opened?

Being burgled before is to burglary as the enjoyment of sex is to rape?

I mean at this point I sense I am being trolled it's so laughable.

Wp if so haha

[teddybloat]

Either she was raped or she wasn't.

Give the jury all the available information and let them decide.

All the pertinent information is given.

It doesn't include past history as juries are prone to the same fallacious reasoning displayed here

[celtic]

This thread is great.

Nothing more to add.

[RED-DOG]

Either she was raped or she wasn't.

Give the jury all the available information and let them decide.

All the pertinent information is given.

It doesn't include past history as juries are prone to the same fallacious reasoning displayed here

Who decides what is pertinent?

[The Camel]

What really clouds all of the issues here is that she awoke naked and alone in the hotel room with no memory of what happened that previous night.

She subsequently said that she thought her drink must have been spiked in the club but still didn't say anything about any rape and there was no forensic or DNA evidence.

If those two statements are true I find it hard to understand how CE was convicted in the first place.

He said he had sex with her.

The CPS claimed she was in no fit state to consent to sex, therefore it must be rape.

She never claimed she was raped, she maintained she had no recollection of the night, just woke up naked, alone and not knowing where she was.

I really feel like the victim blaming and demands for her to be sent to jail absolutely vile. She didn't accuse Evans of anything.

Any sympathy for the guy locked up for a crime where he has now been cleared Camel? 

A little I suppose.

Although I hate to agree with The Sun, innocent or guilty he was a vile human being at the time of the incident. Hopefully having gone through all this, he might have learned something about how to treat women properly.

[teddybloat]

Either she was raped or she wasn't.

Give the jury all the available information and let them decide.

All the pertinent information is given.

It doesn't include past history as juries are prone to the same fallacious reasoning displayed here

Who decides what is pertinent?

Guardian readers, obvs

[MANTIS01]

Yo but what if I'm a guy who enjoys lots of gay sex in the park with strangers?

I claim to have been gay raped in the park last Thursday night whilst 'cruising'

On the other hand I am total heterosexual, happily married and strongly object to even wife's finger in the bum

I claim to have been gay raped in the park last Thursday whilst jogging

Again it's in no way definitive but to say the chances are bang equal seem insane

Oh and the other variable is the perpetrator is George Michael...

[DungBeetle]

What really clouds all of the issues here is that she awoke naked and alone in the hotel room with no memory of what happened that previous night.

She subsequently said that she thought her drink must have been spiked in the club but still didn't say anything about any rape and there was no forensic or DNA evidence.

If those two statements are true I find it hard to understand how CE was convicted in the first place.

He said he had sex with her.

The CPS claimed she was in no fit state to consent to sex, therefore it must be rape.

She never claimed she was raped, she maintained she had no recollection of the night, just woke up naked, alone and not knowing where she was.

I really feel like the victim blaming and demands for her to be sent to jail absolutely vile. She didn't accuse Evans of anything.

Any sympathy for the guy locked up for a crime where he has now been cleared Camel? 

A little I suppose.

Although I hate to agree with The Sun, innocent or guilty he was a vile human being at the time of the incident. Hopefully having gone through all this, he might have learned something about how to treat women properly.

A little?!!  He's not guilty and has spent time in prison and has his career ruined.  If we trust the court to convict then surely we must absolutely offer Evans our complete apologies now that he is acquitted.  Whether he likes having sex with random women or not is irrelevant.  That is legal.

[George2Loose]

Yo but what if I'm a guy who enjoys lots of gay sex in the park with strangers?

I claim to have been gay raped in the park last Thursday night whilst 'cruising'

On the other hand I am total heterosexual, happily married and strongly object to even wife's finger in the bum

I claim to have been gay raped in the park last Thursday whilst jogging

Again it's in no way definitive but to say the chances are bang equal seem insane

Oh and the other variable is the perpetrator is George Michael...

Is this Mantis's diary?

[teddybloat]

Yo but what if I'm a guy who enjoys lots of gay sex in the park with strangers?

I claim to have been gay raped in the park last Thursday night whilst 'cruising'

On the other hand I am total heterosexual, happily married and strongly object to even wife's finger in the bum

I claim to have been gay raped in the park last Thursday whilst jogging

Again it's in no way definitive but to say the chances are bang equal seem insane

Oh and the other variable is the perpetrator is George Michael...

what does not enjoying having a fjnger up the arse have to do with not being raped? Do gay men enjoy being raped?

Your not liking a finger up the arse doesnt make you less likely to be raped. Rape by definition is non consensual.

If a rapist is looking to rape someone in a park, your hetero jogging gait and aversion to having your wife go knuckle-deep up the shitter is not going to make you less likely to be a victim.

Rapists don't ask for sex then go ahead anyway, rape isn't an alternative to consensual sex, enjoying sex doesn't make you more likely to lie about being raped.

[MANTIS01]

Just to clarify I do not strongly object to finger in the bum.

And neither should anybody else.

'Knuckle deep up the shitter' doesn't retain the same romanticism for me mind you

Anyway pls continue...