Ched Evans

[RED-DOG]

Yes I disagree 100%

It has no bearing on her claim of being raped.

Fair enough.

[arbboy]

An escort is less likely imo to go out on a Friday night and get herself into a situation like this because she is used to being paid for sex imo and is probably more likely to not sleep with random guys pissed up on a weekend.  If she was an escort i would assume, everything else being equal, that it was more likely she was raped.

[teddybloat]

I mean logically it harms a defence.

She has a glorious history of enaging in consensual acts.

99 times out of 99 she has never falsely accused someone of rape.

[RED-DOG]

Yes I disagree 100%

It has no bearing on her claim of being raped.

Do you think Donald Trump's previous behaviour has any bearing on his claim that he would make an excellent president?

[MANTIS01]

Soz for my confusion but the Renee thread is to protect who from what? Seems unfair the girl won't get staked in the future really.

[teddybloat]

I don't see how that is analogous.

Trumps past behaviour is a reflection on his character and mental stability, and is therefore directly related to his fitness to be president.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does not make her less likely to be raped, nor more likely to lie about it.

[RED-DOG]

I don't see how that is analogous.

Trumps past behaviour is a reflection on his character and mental stability, and is therefore directly related to his fitness to be president.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does not make her less likely to be raped, nor more likely to lie about it.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does make it more likely that she consented.

[teddybloat]

How so?

A woman with a long history of never falsely claiming to have been raped is less likely to do so, also.

Red comes up 6 times on the roulette wheel, do you lump on?

[The Camel]

I don't see how that is analogous.

Trumps past behaviour is a reflection on his character and mental stability, and is therefore directly related to his fitness to be president.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does not make her less likely to be raped, nor more likely to lie about it.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does make it more likely that she consented.

Why?

There isn't any grey area. If a woman does not consent to sex it is rape.

Just because a woman has a lot of consentual sex, if she doesn't agree on one particular occasion, it is still rape.

Exactly the same as if a virgin doesn't agree to having sex it is rape.

Her past actions are completely irrelevant.

This is not hard to understand.

[RED-DOG]

How so?

A woman with a long history of never falsely claiming to have been raped is less likely to do so, also.

Red comes up 6 times on the roulette wheel, do you lump on?

So revealing the information strengthens her case? I can live with that notion.

[RED-DOG]

I don't see how that is analogous.

Trumps past behaviour is a reflection on his character and mental stability, and is therefore directly related to his fitness to be president.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does not make her less likely to be raped, nor more likely to lie about it.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does make it more likely that she consented.

Why?

There isn't any grey area. If a woman does not consent to sex it is rape.

Just because a woman has a lot of consentual sex, if she doesn't agree on one particular occasion, it is still rape.

Exactly the same as if a virgin doesn't agree to having sex it is rape.

Her past actions are completely irrelevant.

This is not hard to understand.

I understand and would agree with everything you say, if we knew that she didn't consent, but we don't know, so we have to use the information that is available to make a decision.

[MANTIS01]

Yo but that's a random machine. If the bb has folded to ur sb jam for the last six orbits do you jam again and why?

Somebody who goes to bars every night and has a lot of casual sex with strangers does make consent more likely than a virgin who stays at home. It's certainly not definitive at all but it is certainly more likely than a coin flip ever being anything other than a 50/50

[Doobs]

I don't see how that is analogous.

Trumps past behaviour is a reflection on his character and mental stability, and is therefore directly related to his fitness to be president.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does not make her less likely to be raped, nor more likely to lie about it.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does make it more likely that she consented.

Why?

There isn't any grey area. If a woman does not consent to sex it is rape.

Just because a woman has a lot of consentual sex, if she doesn't agree on one particular occasion, it is still rape.

Exactly the same as if a virgin doesn't agree to having sex it is rape.

Her past actions are completely irrelevant.

This is not hard to understand.

I understand and would agree with everything you say, if we knew that she didn't consent, but we don't know, so we have to use the information that is available to make a decision.

But your information would only tell you anything if we knew how many times she refused.   She might have had the chance of 100 threesomes and refused 99.  She may have had sex 500 times and only said fuck me harder twice.  etc

[teddybloat]

it has no bearing.

I was merely using your logic to show how It can be used to come to the exact opposite conclusions you initially drew.

When that can happen, you know you aren't standing on rational bedrock.

"I came home and my house was burgled"

Do you go out a lot

"Yes"

Have you ever been burgled before?

"No"

Then it's unlikely you were burgled tonight.

[RED-DOG]

I don't see how that is analogous.

Trumps past behaviour is a reflection on his character and mental stability, and is therefore directly related to his fitness to be president.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does not make her less likely to be raped, nor more likely to lie about it.

A woman enjoying lots of consensual sex does make it more likely that she consented.

Why?

There isn't any grey area. If a woman does not consent to sex it is rape.

Just because a woman has a lot of consentual sex, if she doesn't agree on one particular occasion, it is still rape.

Exactly the same as if a virgin doesn't agree to having sex it is rape.

Her past actions are completely irrelevant.

This is not hard to understand.

I understand and would agree with everything you say, if we knew that she didn't consent, but we don't know, so we have to use the information that is available to make a decision.

But your information would only tell you anything if we knew how many times she refused.   She might have had the chance of 100 threesomes and refused 99.  She may have had sex 500 times and only said fuck me harder twice.  etc

Precisely.

If they could produce 300 blokes that she has knocked back, I think their evidence should be admitted too.