Best games for us fish to play to have a chance of winning in the long run?

[Woodsey]

Thought this would be a fun thread bearing in mind the other thread that is running, let's put all egos to one side and just be honest.

So for people like me who used to win and can't now unless they play very selectively, have a full time job and either can't be arsed or don't have time to study to get better. Where should we punt our money for best chance of winning?

For me it's the DTD Sats to the events they run, I can mostly get in cheap and doubt I would be a loser in the long run if I stick to those.

I think selective live cash games could also be profitable for many, unfortunately for me I want to sink plenty of ales when playing live so that rules it out for me mostly lol  

So where do us fish get the most bang for our buck?

[Marky147]

Wherever you get most enjoyment?

[Woodsey]

Also replying does not imply you are a fish  . So all answers welcome, don't be scared to input, 'winning' players options also welcome 

Disclaimer- Yes I'm a fish in most games and admit it, honestly is the best medicine 

[Woodsey]

Wherever you get most enjoyment?

True, but also best chance of winning or at least losing the min.

[Marky147]

Wherever you get most enjoyment?

True, but also best chance of winning or at least losing the min.

You know the games you're best at, so play those, and on the site you like most.

[Woodsey]

Wherever you get most enjoyment?

True, but also best chance of winning or at least losing the min.

You know the games you're best at, so play those, and on the site you like most.

Disagree mate, I don't think many of us play enough to really know for a long period of time.

I've identified where I think I'm still +EV (DTD sats), just wondering what others think.

In all honestly I just don't get the same buzz from poker as I did many years back, I've been playing far too long. The only buzz I get these days is the chance of a big score and I simply can't afford the full buy ins for those events regularly, and I would deffo be -EV if I could.

Like I said, just wondering what others have identified...  

[Rexas]

As I think Alex mentioned in another thread, if you're looking for a variant of the game where you can be +ev without putting in a load of work, then poker is certainly not where you should be looking. Think most just play mtts for the chance at that big score. Win one decent comp on stars and don't snap move up to the really expensive comps and "losing" players can be winning over a significant sample. If you play the game for fun, then play whatever you like, the edge in poker is nowhere near as big as its being made out to be, you won't instantly lose all your money when you sit down at a table with a better player. It will be a slow process, with many ups and downs along the way, and you will naturally improve (well, hopefully) as you play more, thus slowing the process even more.

[Rexas]

It's also worth pointing out that in most forms of the game, the really good regs are going to move up the stakes pretty quickly. So, perhaps if someone is doing loads at 100nl online, they could drop down to 50nl, which seems to play quite differently and the pool of regs will be worse. I'm definitely nowhere near the best player around yet, but I'd be very confident that I could teach anyone with half a brain to beat up on the 10nl regs (although they are likely to be way better than the average casino-going reg).

[Marky147]

Wherever you get most enjoyment?

True, but also best chance of winning or at least losing the min.

You know the games you're best at, so play those, and on the site you like most.

Disagree mate, I don't think many of us play enough to really know for a long period of time.

I've identified where I think I'm still +EV (DTD sats), just wondering what others think.

In all honestly I just don't get the same buzz from poker as I did many years back, I've been playing far too long. The only buzz I get these days is the chance of a big score and I simply can't afford the full buy ins for those events regularly, and I would deffo be -EV if I could.

Like I said, just wondering what others have identified...  

Well, unless you've been on a 6max cash course since Ladbrokes days, I'd guess your best game, and most enjoyable game, would be MTTs.

If you want to shoot for a big score, but not pay out,. play on Stars, and get stuck into some 30k runner fields...

I've identified that I was a twat, for only playing as much as I needed to fund my lifestyle back when everyone smart was printing

[redarmi]

The DTD sats are definitely value but that is only really because the buyins are too low for most pros (talking the pennyrolls and the feeders) and DTD add value.  If DTD stopped adding seats they wouldn't be value in all probability.  Out of interest do you think that you don't enjoy the game anymore because of the realisation you aren't a winner anymore or is it just boredom?  If it is something that you enjoy doing does it really matter if you are a winner or not?  FWIW I realised a long time ago that I am not a winner above a certain fairly low level so I just stick to that.  Playing any kind of MTT online above , say, a $20 buyin is always going to be too tough for me so I just don't play them anymore.

[Woodsey]

Wherever you get most enjoyment?

True, but also best chance of winning or at least losing the min.

You know the games you're best at, so play those, and on the site you like most.

Disagree mate, I don't think many of us play enough to really know for a long period of time.

I've identified where I think I'm still +EV (DTD sats), just wondering what others think.

In all honestly I just don't get the same buzz from poker as I did many years back, I've been playing far too long. The only buzz I get these days is the chance of a big score and I simply can't afford the full buy ins for those events regularly, and I would deffo be -EV if I could.

Like I said, just wondering what others have identified...  

Well, unless you've been on a 6max cash course since Ladbrokes days, I'd guess your best game, and most enjoyable game, would be MTTs.

If you want to shoot for a big score, but not pay out,. play on Stars, and get stuck into some 30k runner fields...

I've identified that I was a twat, for only playing as much as I needed to fund my lifestyle back when everyone smart was printing

Deffo MTT's, but these days where I can get in on the cheap.

Used to do really well at live cash games, but not in the last 3 or 4 years so rarely bother now tbh.

[Rexas]

Furthermore (sorry for posting like this, I'm kinda writing as I think) it's not impossible to learn to become a winning player. If I go back to January this year, I was a losing player at every poker variant online. I was also a losing player in some of the live cash games I was playing. I was effectively stopping myself from learning by A) kidding myself that it was just a downswing and B) believing that this stuff was way too complicated for anyone normal (ok, slightly retarded) (ok, more than slighty) (ok, I'm eating my shoulder atm, stfu) to start learning. Over the last 6 months, I've gone from being a loser at 10nl to being a definite winner at 50nl without spending 10 hours a day looking through obscure maths problems. A lot of the time when I see these sorts of threads, and players who used to be winners but now just can't hack it, this quote comes to my mind:

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us."

[Woodsey]

The DTD sats are definitely value but that is only really because the buyins are too low for most pros (talking the pennyrolls and the feeders) and DTD add value.  If DTD stopped adding seats they wouldn't be value in all probability.  Out of interest do you think that you don't enjoy the game anymore because of the realisation you aren't a winner anymore or is it just boredom?  If it is something that you enjoy doing does it really matter if you are a winner or not?  FWIW I realised a long time ago that I am not a winner above a certain fairly low level so I just stick to that.  Playing any kind of MTT online above , say, a $20 buyin is always going to be too tough for me so I just don't play them anymore.

Good question about the enjoyability mate, probably a bit of both to be honest. When I first started i effing loved the game even when I was losing, I remember buying into £500 comps at Blackpool even though I didn't really know what I was doing lol. I obviously improved a lot in the subsequent years.

Now I simply don't have the desire to improve, and would choose giving up totally over doing a lot of cash.

[Kmac84]

Sky Poker and Betfair only tables are quite soft.  I only pay cash though.  I am sure not all players are bad but in those games I feel comfortable.  I mostly play .50/1 and £1/2 when I can be bothered which tbh isn't that often these days. 

[baldock92]

Furthermore (sorry for posting like this, I'm kinda writing as I think) it's not impossible to learn to become a winning player. If I go back to January this year, I was a losing player at every poker variant online. I was also a losing player in some of the live cash games I was playing. I was effectively stopping myself from learning by A) kidding myself that it was just a downswing and B) believing that this stuff was way too complicated for anyone normal (ok, slightly retarded) (ok, more than slighty) (ok, I'm eating my shoulder atm, stfu) to start learning. Over the last 6 months, I've gone from being a loser at 10nl to being a definite winner at 50nl without spending 10 hours a day looking through obscure maths problems. A lot of the time when I see these sorts of threads, and players who used to be winners but now just can't hack it, this quote comes to my mind:

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us."

What do you think are the biggest things you've changed since january to go from "a loser at 10nl to being a definite winner at 50nl"? I never really play online but would like to start, so any advice would be welcome!