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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2014, 03:06:18 PM »

By journalist do we mean poker journalist?

Most publications are heavily subsidised by site advertisements. I doubt many of them are free to bite the hand that feeds.

Almost all stories of substance are uncovered by players and  broken on forums.

Most poker journalism resembles music and sports journaliam: puff opinion pieces, advertising by proxy, lame questions and listmanias. It has its place as infotainment but expecting that industry to break stories that rocks the establishment is like expecting the 3am girls to uncover the next watergate scandal.

Most poker magazines rely totally on advertising revenue don't they?  I have never bought a poker magazine in my life.  Is it actually possible to pay for them?  I thought they were just free in cardrooms.  I have never seen them in a newsagent etc for sale.

Poker Player is in my local WH Smith's, not sure if it sells well though.
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2014, 06:24:13 PM »

wouldnt be in your local whsmith if it didnt
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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2014, 06:37:05 PM »

wouldnt be in your local whsmith if it didnt

thats not necessarily true
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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2014, 08:09:47 PM »

Amaya taking positive steps on this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/seat-scripting-issues-pokerstars-1487640/
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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2014, 08:23:15 PM »


fun seeing that the EPT sats are sponsored by Skrill PAYMENT PROCESSING. not what tournament you are playing like you used to be able to see on the felt itself.

amaya tho. obv still waiting on support a few days since the farce with the UK software and rebates, it's actually impressive how quickly they've destroyed the business ethos stars had built up.
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« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2014, 06:31:28 PM »

By journalist do we mean poker journalist?

Most publications are heavily subsidised by site advertisements. I doubt many of them are free to bite the hand that feeds.

Almost all stories of substance are uncovered by players and  broken on forums.

Most poker journalism resembles music and sports journaliam: puff opinion pieces, advertising by proxy, lame questions and listmanias. It has its place as infotainment but expecting that industry to break stories that rocks the establishment is like expecting the 3am girls to uncover the next watergate scandal.

Most poker magazines rely totally on advertising revenue don't they?  I have never bought a poker magazine in my life.  Is it actually possible to pay for them?  I thought they were just free in cardrooms.  I have never seen them in a newsagent etc for sale.

PokerPlayer was 100% paid for when I edited it. More subscriptions than newsstand sales, but a decent number of those in its heyday. Genuinely no idea on current numbers. But it was still hugely reliant on advertising as are 99.9% of all newspapers and magazines. Doesn't mean they can't be objective.

That said teddybloat makes a very good point. It's ridiculous to expect entertainment-focused sites or magazines to suddenly start doing in-depth investigative reporting. That's not why they exist and that's not what the people who write for them are trained to do. In fact in many cases (poker websites in particular) most of the writers aren't trained at all. They wouldn't really know where to start.

You also need to remember that there are quite draconian libel laws in this country so you need to be absolutely 100% certain of your facts before reporting anything or you can get yourself in all kinds of legal trouble. Even then it's still a huge risk. And dedicating the time and resource to that kind of reporting is a resource-heavy and expensive thing to do.

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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2014, 03:40:58 PM »

PokerStars vow to start addressing their Seat Scripting problems

http://calvinayre.com/2014/11/12/poker/pokerstars-vow-to-start-addressing-seating-script-problems/


p.s why won't they simply ban them?

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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2014, 04:16:10 PM »

PokerStars vow to start addressing their Seat Scripting problems

http://calvinayre.com/2014/11/12/poker/pokerstars-vow-to-start-addressing-seating-script-problems/


p.s why won't they simply ban them?



I believe its very hard to change the current software to do so automatically. When everything is setup and works fine, you can't just chuck a bit more code in.

 They have also used them as an excuse to move games towards zoom and lower winrates/increase rake in the past. You could watch the tables and do it that way I guess but they feel like it might be inaccurate. I found seating scripters at .5/1$ full ring last time I checked.
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2014, 05:12:08 PM »

PokerStars vow to start addressing their Seat Scripting problems

http://calvinayre.com/2014/11/12/poker/pokerstars-vow-to-start-addressing-seating-script-problems/


p.s why won't they simply ban them?



I believe its very hard to change the current software to do so automatically. When everything is setup and works fine, you can't just chuck a bit more code in.

 They have also used them as an excuse to move games towards zoom and lower winrates/increase rake in the past. You could watch the tables and do it that way I guess but they feel like it might be inaccurate. I found seating scripters at .5/1$ full ring last time I checked.


I cant imagine it's actually that hard if they wanted to, by signing up and using their software you basically give them cart blanche to install/run whatever they want on your computer so it shouldn't be too technically challenging to regulate what other software is running whilst stars is on.
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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2014, 05:52:08 PM »

If they put it in there T&C's that seat scripts are banned, how many regs would risk their bankroll and still use a script? it would be a similar situation to using a VPN in USA. I think theres a large amount of truth in what rfgqqabc says in that it drives players to zoom, where they cut the sharpest profits. I can't see how it can be dressed up as anything but terrible for the players.....
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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2014, 10:33:56 PM »

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/11/pokerstars-looks-to-ban-seating-scripts-19809.htm
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2014, 06:23:03 AM »

If they put it in there T&C's that seat scripts are banned, how many regs would risk their bankroll and still use a script? it would be a similar situation to using a VPN in USA. I think theres a large amount of truth in what rfgqqabc says in that it drives players to zoom, where they cut the sharpest profits. I can't see how it can be dressed up as anything but terrible for the players.....
A lot of regs would risk it and still script as they just wudnt b able to win without one.
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« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2014, 02:17:56 PM »

I can think of a fair few names who. 3 years ago were very much at the top of the limits they were playing online and have since fallen into extremely weak players as there game has turned entirely into chasing weak players about. All there effort goes into that and no energy at all onto getting any better at actually playing the game.

A few years ago no one wanted to play them, now you're delighted to see them at the table, and there is no reason why they couldn't have progressed with everyone else either as they very clearly have the aptitude for it.


That's just the way of online poker these days I'm afraid :-(
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