Bluffer

[shipitgood]

MTT Hand. Blinds 500/100, just under 30k chips at the start of the hand.

We have  in the cut off, it's folded round to us, we min raise to 2k.

Button and SB are pretty tight, they fold.

BB is playing most hands, usually limping. He has us covered just and calls.

Pot 4.5k

Flop; 

BB donks 2k, he donk bets a lot (min bets) we call.  (8500)

Turn 

He bets 2k again, we raise to 8k he calls. (24500)

River 

He checks, We jam 19.9k, he folds.

Felt he was really weak, and certainly didn't have a queen, I expect a queen any kicker is calling.

Wondered what people thought on bluffing without equity? Just spew, or is there a place for it?

[Rexas]

Fold flop, fold turn, I guess by this point we have to jam river.

[verndog158]

just fold flop, i see no reason whatsoever to call flop, seems ridiculous in my opinion.
fold fold and fold

[zerofive]

Not a flame, but genuinely curious as to why you would choose to float the flop with this exact hand?

What other hands are you calling the flop with?

[stato_1]

This is massive massive spew, choose hands with some backdoor equity at the very least to float with, raising turn that big and jamming river is suicide, very lucky it worked here imo. 4xing his bet on the turn makes his continuing range to get to the river stronger thanif you raised smaller.

[PathFinder]

This is massive massive spew, choose hands with some backdoor equity at the very least to float with, raising turn that big and jamming river is suicide, very lucky it worked here imo. 4xing his bet on the turn makes his continuing range to get to the river stronger thanif you raised smaller.

Agree with this statement completely especially choosing hands with more equity to float with

[shipitgood]

Thanks a lot everyone.

Honestly didn't think he could call the river. But understand it is spew. There were 18 left, I wanted a stack going into the last 2 tables/ FT. This hand put me in 4th place.

He was donking every hand, a lot of the time when he hadn't hit (just based on numberS) or with any pair.

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This was another hand before the 1 above, probably another mistake.

The Button is a total nit (apart from when he's on the button). He never min raises either, which I doubt can be optimal.

This is pretty bad in as I don't have the stack for it, and the board is pretty terrible versus his range. Just hopeing he's missed/ doesn't have a heart.

This is what happened, but for MTT players, this hand aside, what kind of range are we 3 betting from the SB/ BB versus a late position open and against what type of player.

Tbh, it's something I don't do often enough, although I know this example is pretty terrible, but I got lucky.

Blinds 300/600 (it's about bubble time) we have  (13660)

Button raises to 1500, we 3 bet 2 3k he calls (pot is 5400) we have 10k behind.

Flop 

We bet 2400 he folds.

I know this is a terrible board, but just lucky he totally wiffs.

Would be interested to hear peoples views on 3 betting late on in MTT's from the blinds versus cut off/ button when they are most likely weak.

[shipitgood]

Not a flame, but genuinely curious as to why you would choose to float the flop with this exact hand?

What other hands are you calling the flop with?

Pretty bad as people have said. If he bet pot (or big) we're never floating. He always bets small with weak holdings. Went with the fact I felt he was weak, decided as soon as he donked the flop, I was raising turn jamming most rivers (if he called turn).

[Rexas]

Not a flame, but genuinely curious as to why you would choose to float the flop with this exact hand?

What other hands are you calling the flop with?

Pretty bad as people have said. If he bet pot (or big) we're never floating. He always bets small with weak holdings. Went with the fact I felt he was weak, decided as soon as he donked the flop, I was raising turn jamming most rivers (if he called turn).

I don't know how you manage to pick up these accurate reads on people, but you do seem to have a habit of answering your own PHA posts. And his bet is reasonable given the size of the pot anyway. And we have nothing with no legit hope of ending up with something. And we're basically just flat out gambling here.

[Rexas]

As for hand 2, fold pre, check fold flop.

If we're going to raise pre, raise bigger, he literally shouldn't fold anything to this size. If we're doing this sorta stuff to abuse the bubble, great, but actually make him make a decision. And still choose a hand that can actually get us somewhere.

And once again, we have nothing, and we're gonna struggle to make something.

Also, given our stack, this is beyond suicide imo.

[shipitgood]

Hey Rexas

Not using a HUD reads are everything when I play. I was explaining the logic.

I asked if it's terrible bluffing with little to no/ equity which was answered unequivocally.

Hand 2, I said from the outset it was pretty terrible given my stack.

I'm just trying stuff out, being more aggro late on in mtt's, 3 betting more.

It was just an example.

When we are so shallow, I 3 bet small with my entire range usually.

Like in cash it's really easy to 3/4 bet because we are so deep always.

But in MTT's being so shallow it's something people don't do often enough imo.

 

[AlexMartin]

stato nailed it

[pleno1]

raise flop>raise turn imo.

people sometimes just bet/fold flop with like 66 or something so just make it 6.1k/fold flop rather than floating him and he potentially c/calling down "putting you on a fd or ak"

[shipitgood]

Thanks everyone for the responses.

I'm really glad I posted this.

Especially the 2nd part I posted.

The pretty terrible lol 3 bet with 68 with hardly any big blinds.

I'm going to try 3 betting a lot more from the SB/ BB late on in tournies, around the bubble onwards.

I'll just need to find the balance of what works / doesn't.