Getting our PLO on

[SuuPRlim]

PHA been a lil dull I see! lets see some PLO hands

Hand Information
 No Limit Omaha, 10 BB (6 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat:  1 tarantale0 ($1000) Small Blind
Seat:  3 barclops ($1017) Big Blind
Seat:  5 norton1978 ($1270)
Seat:  6 arnoldmill ($444)
Seat:  8 Hero ($1000)
Seat:  10 exp0nentia1 ($3200.2) Dealer
Dealt to Hero


Preflop  (Pot:15)
norton1978    RAISE    $35
Hero    CALL    $35
exp0nentia1    CALL    $35
tarantale0    CALL    $30
barclops    FOLD    

Flop(Pot: $150)


tarantale0    CHECK    
norton1978    BET    $75
Hero    CALL    $75
exp0nentia1    RAISE    $350
tarantale0    FOLD    
norton1978    FOLD    
Hero    


The opener/cbetter is very loose, the btn who raises it is a new player with little history,  he makes it 350 when he could to 450...seems a good player, aggreesive, I dont know much else at this point.

This is a bit of a wobbly spot. What would you do?

[Tal]

I'm Lord Nit of Nittington Abbey here...Seems tough when we're not drawing to the nuts and can't close the action.

Think I'd just fold. Am I missing a family bucket o'value?

[KarmaDope]

I'm Lord Nit of Nittington Abbey here...Seems tough when we're not drawing to the nuts and can't close the action.

Think I'd just fold. Am I missing a family bucket o'value?

*disclaimer - dont play PLO very much at all*

Yes We are closing the flop action but will be OOP on later streets. We do have the OESD nuts but drawing to second nut flushes. I am a nit as well and this is a shit spot. Calling feels bad. Folding feels bad. Raising feels spewy. Part of me wants to get it all in now we are HU for equity but this would probably be very, very high variance as we're probably bad against sets/AXcc or combos of 86Axcc. In game, for this money, I'm a pussy and fold, but this is probably the wrong call.

[SuuPRlim]

I agree that going all in would be a very spewy move.

Consider this; he's made it 350, myself and Tarantale0 have 1k and Norton has 1200 so if me or tarantale go all-in then he will be left o call 545 into a pot of what will then be 2145 so he's going to need 25% equity to call. If norton jams he's calling 815 into what would be 2685 so he needs ~30% to call.

Not saying I think he's bluffing here, I'm just (for want of a better word) admiring the horrifically awkward spot he's the whole field in here.

By making it 350 and not pot he's just left me with enough of a question as to if he's raising to fold to an All-In, he could defo be building a range to raise fold in spots like this, he needs to get it through about 2/3 of the time to make any money, also lets him raise slightly wider for value with hands that are strong but might not play as well down the streets - hands like KQT7 etc. It's just a really clever bet size wp that man

[UgotNuts]

I think you're never far behind in this spot, and have live draws to a better hand, judging from the action it's tough for him to have the big wrap and the nut flush draw. I would probably put him on top set and flip with him here, these spots come up a whole lot of the time and the game is high variance

[Kmac84]

How do you feel you have played the hand now in the position you have been put?

I like his bet sizing, I think as you say your in a real tough spot now. 


I'd have meybe raised the open and fold now. 

[GreekStein]

[  ] folding

[Oxford_HRV]

[  ] folding

turn is  ? now?

who fancies raising flop? obvs realising your equity is std in most cases. here flop bettor shouldnt have many NF hands, known to be very loose possibly stack off weaker made flushs? can lead Kx and bet fold, we dont have a hard decision after we raise either.

[SuuPRlim]

could call and jam any non pairing turn, (c/f pair ups) or just go with it now...

if we went against the consensus of folding ofc

[GreekStein]

[  ] folding

turn is  ? now?

[  ] folding.

I'm not calling the flop to fold an unpaired turn.

[Oxford_HRV]

i agree, are you taking the lead if we make a hand ott?

[mulhuzz]

[  ] folding
[ x ] not really sure, so prolly just shove now.

[GreekStein]

i agree, are you taking the lead if we make a hand ott?

yes, most of the time.

[SuuPRlim]

I think potting the turn when out hand improves is 100% the best play - we're committed to clubs so don't worry about him having the NF and obviously straight cards are the dream. Leaving him the opportunity to check back KK with a pot-to-stack like this would be an absolute disaster.