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"The Open didn't make the top 30 most-watched shows that week on BBC1 last year. On BBC2, made No21 that week. "
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What this does is remove another sporting event from the mass UK watching market.
I don't know what percentage of households have Sky subscriptions but the bottom line is those that don't have Sky will have basically lost another route for kids to get hooked on a sport.
Growing up I loved watching most sports on TV. And I would go out almost every night and holiday to play tennis, golf, football, cricket etc.
Now because I don't and wont pay for satellite subscriptions on principle, I (and my kids) have not watched cricket, boxing, football etc in years or in my kids cases ever.
I'm sounding like a luddite (I probably am) but it saddens me to see whole generations of kids missing out on being inspired and wanting to play sport. Some people call it progress but I don't see less and less kids playing sport, understanding the benefits from a health, well being and future career perspective from playing competitive sport as progress. I see it as another way our society has lost its way.
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this is my concern with a sport i love,cricket
sky cover it really well. really really well. Atherton and Holding are fantastic. Bumble is a one off, the analysis, camera angles and technology, depth of coverage is great. they'll show you ODIs from new zealand, the bangladesh t20 league etc etc
but the downside is that since 2004, participation rates have plummeted in under 21s. Part of this is schools funding and playing fields, part is that kids are not getting exposed to the sport any more
already, less than a generation after the sport went PPV, you won't find a member of the England cricket squad who didn't go to public school.
my lad is sports mad, but his mum doesn't have sky, the home has freeview and when we chat about cricket he talks about chennai super kings, dhoni, kohli etc because for three summer terms he has come home from school and been able to watch it on freeview via ITV4
hasn't seen any domestic or england cricket in that time, as far as i know
Where sport is covered on TV is huge in its future
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Quote from: TightEnd on February 04, 2015, 11:34:27 AM
this is my concern with a sport i love,cricket
sky cover it really well. really really well. Atherton and Holding are fantastic. Bumble is a one off, the analysis, camera angles and technology, depth of coverage is great. they'll show you ODIs from new zealand, the bangladesh t20 league etc etc
but the downside is that since 2004, participation rates have plummeted in under 21s. Part of this is schools funding and playing fields, part is that kids are not getting exposed to the sport any more
already, less than a generation after the sport went PPV, you won't find a member of the England cricket squad who didn't go to public school.
my lad is sports mad, but his mum doesn't have sky, the home has freeview and when we chat about cricket he talks about chennai super kings, dhoni, kohli etc because for three summer terms he has come home from school and been able to watch it on freeview via ITV4
hasn't seen any domestic or england cricket in that time, as far as i know
Where sport is covered on TV is huge in its future
100% agree Tighty, cricket is probably the best example.
Short term I'm sure its brought money into the game but long term its screwed itself.
As a kid I loved watching the test match on TV, loved the Sunday League game when it was on BBC. It inspired me to play the game.
I used to go to watch Yorkshire regularly as a kid, went to see Test matches etc.
I haven't seen a cricket match in probably 10-15 years now, I know nothing about the game or players any more and have lost interest. And I was a sports nut.
Its all about short term £££££ and there is no thought or vision for the long term health of the sport.
Its doomed to becoming a minority, irrelevant sport in my opinion - and a large reason for that is satellite TV.
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Quote from: RickBFA on February 04, 2015, 11:27:53 AM
What this does is remove another sporting event from the mass UK watching market.
I don't know what percentage of households have Sky subscriptions but the bottom line is those that don't have Sky will have basically lost another route for kids to get hooked on a sport.
Growing up I loved watching most sports on TV. And I would go out almost every night and holiday to play tennis, golf, football, cricket etc.
Now because I don't and wont pay for satellite subscriptions on principle, I (and my kids) have not watched cricket, boxing, football etc in years or in my kids cases ever.
I'm sounding like a luddite (I probably am) but it saddens me to see whole generations of kids missing out on being inspired and wanting to play sport. Some people call it progress but I don't see less and less kids playing sport, understanding the benefits from a health, well being and future career perspective from playing competitive sport as progress. I see it as another way our society has lost its way.
I agree with you on the vast majority of your post but why do you feel you have a 'right' to watch top class sport for free on tv and hence won't pay for Sky 'on principle'? I assume you pay for the standard TV licence? If you do, why do you not refuse to pay for that TV licence 'on principle'?
I think the tv sport choices now are just incredible in comparison to 20 years ago. It was virtually impossible to watch so many sports day in/day out 20 years ago now there is barely a sport you cannot watch. I appreciate Sky Sports/BT sports/ESPN etc is expensive but relative to the standard of product compared to the 'old' product 20 years ago which was 'free' on the old 4 tv stations i think the value for money is incredible.
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Quote from: arbboy on February 04, 2015, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: RickBFA on February 04, 2015, 11:27:53 AM
What this does is remove another sporting event from the mass UK watching market.
I don't know what percentage of households have Sky subscriptions but the bottom line is those that don't have Sky will have basically lost another route for kids to get hooked on a sport.
Growing up I loved watching most sports on TV. And I would go out almost every night and holiday to play tennis, golf, football, cricket etc.
Now because I don't and wont pay for satellite subscriptions on principle, I (and my kids) have not watched cricket, boxing, football etc in years or in my kids cases ever.
I'm sounding like a luddite (I probably am) but it saddens me to see whole generations of kids missing out on being inspired and wanting to play sport. Some people call it progress but I don't see less and less kids playing sport, understanding the benefits from a health, well being and future career perspective from playing competitive sport as progress. I see it as another way our society has lost its way.
I agree with you on the vast majority of your post but why do you feel you have a 'right' to watch top class sport for free on tv and hence won't pay for Sky 'on principle'? I assume you pay for the standard TV licence?
Don't think I said anyone has a "right" to anything.
I said it saddens me to see a big percentage of our society (especially poorer kids) missing out on seeing and being inspired by sport.
The sporting governing bodies can do what they think is right.
I think that sports like cricket and golf are misguided by taking the short term £££ from the Sky's of this world. They are screwing their sport long term in my opinion as no one from a large percentage of the population will see them or bother playing them.
They will end up becoming minority irrelevant sports long term.
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Quote from: RickBFA on February 04, 2015, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: arbboy on February 04, 2015, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: RickBFA on February 04, 2015, 11:27:53 AM
What this does is remove another sporting event from the mass UK watching market.
I don't know what percentage of households have Sky subscriptions but the bottom line is those that don't have Sky will have basically lost another route for kids to get hooked on a sport.
Growing up I loved watching most sports on TV. And I would go out almost every night and holiday to play tennis, golf, football, cricket etc.
Now because I don't and wont pay for satellite subscriptions on principle, I (and my kids) have not watched cricket, boxing, football etc in years or in my kids cases ever.
I'm sounding like a luddite (I probably am) but it saddens me to see whole generations of kids missing out on being inspired and wanting to play sport. Some people call it progress but I don't see less and less kids playing sport, understanding the benefits from a health, well being and future career perspective from playing competitive sport as progress. I see it as another way our society has lost its way.
I agree with you on the vast majority of your post but why do you feel you have a 'right' to watch top class sport for free on tv and hence won't pay for Sky 'on principle'? I assume you pay for the standard TV licence?
Don't think I said anyone has a "right" to anything.
I said it saddens me to see a big percentage of our society (especially poorer kids) missing out on seeing and being inspired by sport.
The sporting governing bodies can do what they think is right.
I think that sports like cricket and golf are misguided by taking the short term £££ from the Sky's of this world. They are screwing their sport long term in my opinion as no one from a large percentage of the population will see them or bother playing them.
They will end up becoming minority irrelevant sports long term.
I just thought you meant that 'on principle' meant you thought these events should be shown on free tv. I think the issues are wider than just the TV issue though. School playing fields being sold off, less PE in schools, social media/phones/gadgets widely used by kids in primary schools now are all to blame as well and parents having more stressful lifes/longer work hours/less time to spend with their kids playing sport.
I had never watched any basketball on TV until i was 16 (1991) yet by that time i was totally hooked on the game from playing it at school/county level by 16. TV played no part at all in my taking up my chosen sport. It is definitely a factor but just one of many imo.
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You are right there are other issues besides satellite TV.
I just personally wont buy subscription sports on "principle" not suggesting its a right to have them on the likes of BBC/ITV etc.
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February 04, 2015, 01:24:59 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on February 04, 2015, 10:48:28 AM
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"The Open didn't make the top 30 most-watched shows that week on BBC1 last year. On BBC2, made No21 that week. "
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Looking at this, it's fairly easy to suggest the the non-Sky paying public don't actually give a toss about not having sport on terrestrial tele, it's there but more choose to watch a whole host of other programs. Does it really matter if it's only on Sky? It would be interesting to see Sky's viewing figures for an average EPL game (or test match perhaps) On the radio this morning they said that Sky just had it's biggest increase in subscribers this last quarter. Another 200k+ bring the total to over 11m.
I'm not so sure it's down to money that kids are missing out. There's plenty of each sport on Youtube (for example) which may be more of interest as they can pick and choose the best bits from each game, I doubt many kids will sit and watch one full day of test match. If the right sports teachers are in schools they'll get kids motivated and outside of school the parents can show the way, not having it on free to view television isn't the only problem. There will also be a lot of kids that do have access to sports on Sky.
One thing I was very suprised about recently was that in the third round of the FA Cup this year, there was no games on tele at all in the first days play. I could have missed it but I couldn't find a game on any channel.
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And another thing, viewing figures - how do they know? I know Sky can probably track everything through the boxes, there's also those surveys you fill in what you watch and those black boxes where you tell that what you're watching, but that surely gives households? How do they know how many people in my living room with me watching
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Quote from: Graham C on February 04, 2015, 01:28:48 PM
And another thing, viewing figures - how do they know? I know Sky can probably track everything through the boxes, there's also those surveys you fill in what you watch and those black boxes where you tell that what you're watching, but that surely gives households?
How do they know how many people in my living room with me watching
There is a camera inside your television Graham that is watching you.
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Quote from: bobby1 on February 03, 2015, 06:24:27 PM
Really sad news this. Think golf on Sky is one of the sports where they let customers down badly.
I massively prefer the BBC coverage, too. Probably the only sport where I do (maybe Wimbledon). Golf isn't a "hype" sport for me. I enjoy sitting down and watching a major unfold quietly in front of me.
Whispering Peter mellowly notes how "Young Richard" Fowler's stance reminds him of some bloke I've never heard of from the fifties. Ken Brown drops a ball on the eighth green and putts it to show the left to right break we are about to see when Hunter Mahan finishes his deliberation.
The only edges I'd give Sky are when Jack Nicklaus is on for the Masters and I generally enjoy Butch Harman staring straight down the lens to address any question thrown his way.
Great Post, Golf does not need "hype", you just need to let the pictures tell the story. Unless, if course, it was those utterly horrible scenes at Phoenix last week, where Golf Administrators, Players, & TV did the game a huge dis-service by highlighting that dreadful "football/darts" behaviour with bottles being thrown on the green, booing of the players (admittedly tongue-in-cheek) & all that malarky. When standards slip, there is no way back.
Sky, imo, cover cricket & football supremely well. Golf, not so much. The whole coverage is bland, & the studio hostess offers no meaningful insight whatsoever. How her hair will cope with a bit of links golf wind will be her main concern.
The ad breaks, with the overly frequent "top & tail" intro & advertisers music is way too frequent. When Sky cover cricket, they manage to make the adverts infrequent, & non-intrusive, but they destroy the flow in golf.
It seems I'm on a limb with Lord Alliss, too, as I love his style, in fact I'd watch some otherwise boring golf Tourney if I knew he was the anchor. Reminds me very much these days of dear old Henry Longhurst. Cuts things down to size, especially those with their heads up their arse.
Ken Brown is wondeful, I'll miss his little musings terribly. Most under-rated Golfie media bloke ever.
The R & A have sold golf out? Not sure I agree with that. Tennis & RU both sold the family silver to TV, but seem to have invested it in the future, & to good effect. Hopefully, Golf does the same.
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For comparison of viewing figures, Liverpool v Chelsea in the League cup on sky last week got 1.3m viewers. Man City v Arsenal in the league got 1.9m a couple of weeks ago. The Ryder Cup got just under a million for the Sunday, and 600k for the first two days, and a Test Match v India last July got about 400k for the Saturday and Sunday play.
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Quote from: tikay on February 04, 2015, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tal on February 03, 2015, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: bobby1 on February 03, 2015, 06:24:27 PM
Really sad news this. Think golf on Sky is one of the sports where they let customers down badly.
I massively prefer the BBC coverage, too. Probably the only sport where I do (maybe Wimbledon). Golf isn't a "hype" sport for me. I enjoy sitting down and watching a major unfold quietly in front of me.
Whispering Peter mellowly notes how "Young Richard" Fowler's stance reminds him of some bloke I've never heard of from the fifties. Ken Brown drops a ball on the eighth green and putts it to show the left to right break we are about to see when Hunter Mahan finishes his deliberation.
The only edges I'd give Sky are when Jack Nicklaus is on for the Masters and I generally enjoy Butch Harman staring straight down the lens to address any question thrown his way.
Great Post, Golf does not need "hype", you just need to let the pictures tell the story. Unless, if course, it was those utterly horrible scenes at Phoenix last week, where Golf Administrators, Players, & TV did the game a huge dis-service by highlighting that dreadful "football/darts" behaviour with bottles being thrown on the green, booing of the players (admittedly tongue-in-cheek) & all that malarky. When standards slip, there is no way back.
Sky, imo, cover cricket & football supremely well. Golf, not so much. The whole coverage is bland, & the studio hostess offers no meaningful insight whatsoever. How her hair will cope with a bit of links golf wind will be her main concern.
The ad breaks, with the overly frequent "top & tail" intro & advertisers music is way too frequent. When Sky cover cricket, they manage to make the adverts infrequent, & non-intrusive, but they destroy the flow in golf.
It seems I'm on a limb with Lord Alliss, too, as I love his style, in fact I'd watch some otherwise boring golf Tourney if I knew he was the anchor. Reminds me very much these days of dear old Henry Longhurst. Cuts things down to size, especially those with their heads up their arse.
Ken Brown is wondeful, I'll miss his little musings terribly. Most under-rated Golfie media bloke ever.
The R & A have sold golf out? Not sure I agree with that. Tennis & RU both sold the family silver to TV, but seem to have invested it in the future, & to good effect. Hopefully, Golf does the same.
Sky's coverage of tennis is poor as well compared to the BBC. BBC's coverage of Wimbledon is as good as it gets imo. I appreciate they only have to wheel out the boys (Becker/Henman/John Mac/John Lloyd etc etc) for queens and Wimbledon for a month once a year but the bbc do a really great job of it imo. I would hate to see Wimbledon ever leave the BBC for sky for that reason alone.
Annabel Croft is decent on the sky coverage but Greg, Barry and all the other washed up ex uk pros are just tough to listen to week after week during masters series events talking like they have been there and done it when they never got close (excluding Greg obviously). the anchor man for sky tennis is also very bland after a while as well.
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I did Google Sky veiwing figures and ended up on Barb but got put off when it told me how to win at jenga
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