Isolation raises at the micros

[EchoEllis]

Hi, so i've always been under the impression that you should iso raise very wide IP. So when you've got fish that dont fold to cbets how are we supposed to make money off these guys? They dont fold to the raise and dont fold to cbet bluffs. Now some may say only bet for vaue but as your raising very wide they may have the better hand more often. I dont want to barrel again with air as that too to my understanding is wrong vs fish, What do you guys think?

[Sulphur man]

We still have to have some kind of holding we don't simply ISO purely
down to position. The whole edge comes from being in the pot with both
the advantage of position and on the whole a much stronger range.

Coupled with the advantage of being a better poker player not merely
clicking buttons and hoping we fold out all of there non value hands, we
should be comfortable playing our hand for a start. Then we punish these
players with our perceived post flop edge.

Would not worry to much about these concepts just play as you are comfortable
playing and when the moment does arise to play these kind of hands then do it
but certainly don't look to do it with ATC. Our edge comes like I said from being able
to range them or knowing from bet timing/size tells or use of our HUD what
kinds of hands this player likely holds and acting accordingly from there.

[EchoEllis]

We still have to have some kind of holding we don't simply ISO purely
down to position. The whole edge comes from being in the pot with both
the advantage of position and on the whole a much stronger range.

Coupled with the advantage of being a better poker player not merely
clicking buttons and hoping we fold out all of there non value hands, we
should be comfortable playing our hand for a start. Then we punish these
players with our perceived post flop edge.

Would not worry to much about these concepts just play as you are comfortable
playing and when the moment does arise to play these kind of hands then do it
but certainly don't look to do it with ATC. Our edge comes like I said from being able
to range them or knowing from bet timing/size tells or use of our HUD what
kinds of hands this player likely holds and acting accordingly from there.

So would you suggest tightening up my ISO raising raise with these players? There just seems so many of them at the moment

[Sulphur man]

Each play is different with regards to stack size, actual position,
players behind and our general competence. Like I said if you
are not fully confident with your post flop play and seem to get in spots
where you commit your whole stack and lose then 100% yes tighten up
the range.

With time you will become more comfortable playing a wider range but
keep working at it don't just explode with aggression when you might not be
ready. Strong advocate of playing in position but also like to have at least a half
decent starting hand with some kind of playability.
Look up The Gap Concept by Sklansky that helped me a lot from the off.

[UgotNuts]

Hi, so I've always been under the impression that you should ISO raise very wide IP. So when you've got fish that dint fold to bets how are we supposed to make money off these guys? They dint fold to the raise and dint fold to cbet bluffs. Now some may say only bet for value but as your raising very wide they may have the better hand more often. I dint want to barrel again with air as that too to my understanding is wrong vs fish, What do you guys think?

This concept depends on the type of villians your up againest. if your playing against over tight players then this will work the best, If the villain is call happy just play your stronger hands in position and pick up the c bets, and turn bets when your betting for value. After playing with the type of fish you described in this way for a while, showing down some strong hands, then maybe you can throw in some of your weaker hands using this strategy and get some cbets through- although, why do you need to if your villain is'nt adapting there play to yours?

[vegaslover]

Stick to a more basic strategy. You already state they are not folding, so bluff less and take advantage when you have it.

[tikay]

We still have to have some kind of holding we don't simply ISO purely
down to position. The whole edge comes from being in the pot with both
the advantage of position and on the whole a much stronger range.

Coupled with the advantage of being a better poker player not merely
clicking buttons and hoping we fold out all of there non value hands, we
should be comfortable playing our hand for a start. Then we punish these
players with our perceived post flop edge.

Would not worry to much about these concepts just play as you are comfortable
playing and when the moment does arise to play these kind of hands then do it
but certainly don't look to do it with ATC. Our edge comes like I said from being able
to range them or knowing from bet timing/size tells or use of our HUD what
kinds of hands this player likely holds and acting accordingly from there.

So would you suggest tightening up my ISO raising raise with these players? There just seems so many of them at the moment

Not sure what you mean by "these" players, or "so many of them" if you are playing Micros?

[kinboshi]

Isn't calling a lot wider a good strategy against an overly loose player who raises and bets in position with ATC?

[AlexMartin]

Embrace more K9o type hands, hands that flop strong top pairs. Playing HU pots in position against weaker opponents is gravy.

[EchoEllis]

We still have to have some kind of holding we don't simply ISO purely
down to position. The whole edge comes from being in the pot with both
the advantage of position and on the whole a much stronger range.

Coupled with the advantage of being a better poker player not merely
clicking buttons and hoping we fold out all of there non value hands, we
should be comfortable playing our hand for a start. Then we punish these
players with our perceived post flop edge.

Would not worry to much about these concepts just play as you are comfortable
playing and when the moment does arise to play these kind of hands then do it
but certainly don't look to do it with ATC. Our edge comes like I said from being able
to range them or knowing from bet timing/size tells or use of our HUD what
kinds of hands this player likely holds and acting accordingly from there.

So would you suggest tightening up my ISO raising raise with these players? There just seems so many of them at the moment

Not sure what you mean by "these" players, or "so many of them" if you are playing Micros?

The limpers that never fold to a cbet

[tikay]

We still have to have some kind of holding we don't simply ISO purely
down to position. The whole edge comes from being in the pot with both
the advantage of position and on the whole a much stronger range.

Coupled with the advantage of being a better poker player not merely
clicking buttons and hoping we fold out all of there non value hands, we
should be comfortable playing our hand for a start. Then we punish these
players with our perceived post flop edge.

Would not worry to much about these concepts just play as you are comfortable
playing and when the moment does arise to play these kind of hands then do it
but certainly don't look to do it with ATC. Our edge comes like I said from being able
to range them or knowing from bet timing/size tells or use of our HUD what
kinds of hands this player likely holds and acting accordingly from there.

So would you suggest tightening up my ISO raising raise with these players? There just seems so many of them at the moment

Not sure what you mean by "these" players, or "so many of them" if you are playing Micros?

The limpers that never fold to a cbet

Exactly the opponents we want, I would have thought.

[mulhuzz]

We still have to have some kind of holding we don't simply ISO purely
down to position. The whole edge comes from being in the pot with both
the advantage of position and on the whole a much stronger range.

Coupled with the advantage of being a better poker player not merely
clicking buttons and hoping we fold out all of there non value hands, we
should be comfortable playing our hand for a start. Then we punish these
players with our perceived post flop edge.

Would not worry to much about these concepts just play as you are comfortable
playing and when the moment does arise to play these kind of hands then do it
but certainly don't look to do it with ATC. Our edge comes like I said from being able
to range them or knowing from bet timing/size tells or use of our HUD what
kinds of hands this player likely holds and acting accordingly from there.

So would you suggest tightening up my ISO raising raise with these players? There just seems so many of them at the moment

Not sure what you mean by "these" players, or "so many of them" if you are playing Micros?

The limpers that never fold to a cbet

are you adjusting and exploiting them? if they don't fold, don't bluff, semi-bluff cheaply and bet large and thin for value!