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TightEnd
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Re: Super System 2015
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Reply #30 on:
April 22, 2015, 09:52:53 AM »
Quote from: mulhuzz on April 22, 2015, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: tikay on April 22, 2015, 08:34:41 AM
Quote from: Tal on April 22, 2015, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: Omm on April 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: pleno1 on April 22, 2015, 12:39:13 AM
whoever wcg puts in his power ranking on twitter.
Who is wcg?
Unbelievable! How can you not know who Wcg is? He's like literally the best player ever ever ever.
Tell him, Pleno.
Lol, tell me too, please.
It's
this guy
never heard of him
known personalities required, i think
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 09:58:10 AM »
+1 to known personalities.
No joke, Gus Hansen would sell this book. The poker curious as Teeks calls em are blissfully unaware of his $20m in online losses, all they know he is that crazy guy who won a bunch of WPTs.
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 10:10:45 AM »
Quote from: Tal on April 22, 2015, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: mulhuzz on April 22, 2015, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: tikay on April 22, 2015, 08:34:41 AM
Quote from: Tal on April 22, 2015, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: Omm on April 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: pleno1 on April 22, 2015, 12:39:13 AM
whoever wcg puts in his power ranking on twitter.
Who is wcg?
Unbelievable! How can you not know who Wcg is? He's like literally the best player ever ever ever.
Tell him, Pleno.
Lol, tell me too, please.
It's
this guy
He's lost half a million dollars in the last 18 months!
You sure?
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=191988
Really isn't like he is a nobody.
And presumably Dave Shoelace put Gus Hansen's name on the cover of his book to make it sell?
Maybe he missed a trick?
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 10:18:08 AM »
Quote from: Doobs on April 22, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
Quote from: Tal on April 22, 2015, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: mulhuzz on April 22, 2015, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: tikay on April 22, 2015, 08:34:41 AM
Quote from: Tal on April 22, 2015, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: Omm on April 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: pleno1 on April 22, 2015, 12:39:13 AM
whoever wcg puts in his power ranking on twitter.
Who is wcg?
Unbelievable! How can you not know who Wcg is? He's like literally the best player ever ever ever.
Tell him, Pleno.
Lol, tell me too, please.
It's
this guy
He's lost half a million dollars in the last 18 months!
You sure?
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=191988
Really isn't like he is a nobody.
If the basis of him being the BITB is his results, I'd take his High Stakes DB results as most representative, given the sample size.
He can obviously poker, but I have a book to sell, so it's the irrefutable best or I want a name that is a good writer.
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Re: Super System 2015
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Reply #34 on:
April 22, 2015, 10:21:34 AM »
Quote from: Doobs on April 22, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
Quote from: Tal on April 22, 2015, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: mulhuzz on April 22, 2015, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: tikay on April 22, 2015, 08:34:41 AM
Quote from: Tal on April 22, 2015, 08:18:26 AM
Quote from: Omm on April 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Quote from: pleno1 on April 22, 2015, 12:39:13 AM
whoever wcg puts in his power ranking on twitter.
Who is wcg?
Unbelievable! How can you not know who Wcg is? He's like literally the best player ever ever ever.
Tell him, Pleno.
Lol, tell me too, please.
It's
this guy
He's lost half a million dollars in the last 18 months!
You sure?
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=191988
Really isn't like he is a nobody.
He is a nobody though, to the audience we are talking about. The audience for a modern super system is people dipping their toe into poker, just getting into it, on the fences. These guys have know idea who WGCRider is, they do know who Negreanu, Hellmuth, Hansen, Ivey, Brunson, Durrrr, Devilfish etc is, mostly from TV.
WGC is a huge somebody in the serious poker community, but we are a very small community.
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 10:23:54 AM »
In fact, the fact that people in this thread didn't know who he is backs up my point.
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 10:27:13 AM »
Quote from: RED-DOG on April 22, 2015, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: Karabiner on April 22, 2015, 12:38:47 AM
How about a chapter on weeding or going South as they call it in the USA.
I can think of several who were masters of this art but one famous one.
I thought weeding and going South were two separate disciplines Ralph, the former being to remove money from the game while staying at the table, and the latter being to leave the table with the money.
I always assumed the the "going South" bit was the money going under the table and into a pocket but I could be mistaken.
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 10:30:27 AM »
Seems we have a mix between wanting to write a good book and just trying to sell.
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April 22, 2015, 11:10:37 AM »
Quote from: DaveShoelace on April 22, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
In fact, the fact that people in this thread didn't know who he is backs up my point.
What is the average age of the people who don't know who he is? How many poker books are they likely to buy between them in the next 12 months? What age group is going to be buying poker books?
He is the Durrr of his day. He is the one making and accepting challenges*, and not Dwan. I assume Gus/Durrr etc are no longer sponsored as their day is past. I am not saying that he is better known than Gus Hansen, just that I don't think there is much in it amongst your kids just discovering poker and looking for a book. A Google search on Hansen isn't going to be a big selling point these days. And why would the kids know who Tom Dwan is at all?
* and finishing them?
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 11:34:19 AM »
Quote from: Karabiner on April 22, 2015, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: RED-DOG on April 22, 2015, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: Karabiner on April 22, 2015, 12:38:47 AM
How about a chapter on weeding or going South as they call it in the USA.
I can think of several who were masters of this art but one famous one.
I thought weeding and going South were two separate disciplines Ralph, the former being to remove money from the game while staying at the table, and the latter being to leave the table with the money.
I always assumed the the "going South" bit was the money going under the table and into a pocket but
I could be mistaken.
Possible, but unlikely.
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 11:50:23 AM »
Put Doug in the Staking/Backing/Stable part of the book?
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 12:12:07 PM »
Quote from: Doobs on April 22, 2015, 11:10:37 AM
Quote from: DaveShoelace on April 22, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
In fact, the fact that people in this thread didn't know who he is backs up my point.
What is the average age of the people who don't know who he is? How many poker books are they likely to buy between them in the next 12 months? What age group is going to be buying poker books?
He is the Durrr of his day. He is the one making and accepting challenges*, and not Dwan. I assume Gus/Durrr etc are no longer sponsored as their day is past. I am not saying that he is better known than Gus Hansen, just that I don't think there is much in it amongst your kids just discovering poker and looking for a book. A Google search on Hansen isn't going to be a big selling point these days. And why would the kids know who Tom Dwan is at all?
* and finishing them?
The problem is that we (everybody ITT and the industry, not just you and I) have different opinions of what this 'untapped curious mainstream audience' looks like demographically. You for examples see them as young online guys about to find the game via Google etc. I view them much more broadly as mass market, all ages, finding the game via WPT reruns, Sky Poker on Sky Sports etc.
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Re: Super System 2015
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April 22, 2015, 12:18:23 PM »
I'll sound like I'm from Tikay's era when I say this, but according to that HSDB link, WCGRider is down like $500k in cash games in the last 18months. And he's the best in the world at cash games?
I remembers Pleno's "you should never have a losing month" cash game theory. Has he just been reeeeeeeally unlucky? Won loads on "untracked" sites? Won loads at stakes too small to be reported by HSDB?
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Quote from: cambridgealex on April 22, 2015, 12:18:23 PM
I'll sound like I'm from Tikay's era when I say this, but according to that HSDB link, WCGRider is down like $500k in cash games in the last 18months. And he's the best in the world at cash games?
I remembers Pleno's "you should never have a losing month" cash game theory. Has he just been reeeeeeeally unlucky? Won loads on "untracked" sites? Won loads at stakes too small to be reported by HSDB?
There generally isn't the same amount of volume in the high stakes games online than the rest of em. Never having a losing month might be accurate for Pleno1 when he was doing NL500 Zoom because he could get a shit load of hands in. Player pools are small in the nosebleeds and only a handful of tables run online, so its actually probably closer to live poker in the volume respect than many people realise (Still loads more hands in general though).
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April 22, 2015, 01:44:12 PM »
He is representing the humans vs the machines so take that for what it is worth.
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