Do I have to pay?

[mulhuzz]

If you decide to pay now it's 1.0000000000000000000000000001 they will accept your offer of £60.

I'm not a betting man, does that mean they likely will accept or they won't?

Something something live players something :p

What would happen if you sent a score in the post? Would they settle?

Prolly not if you hadn't discussed it beforehand but it wouldn't surprise me to see them settle for £20.

What's more likely is they'd start negotiating 'interest free payments' or smt.

[mulhuzz]

If you decide to pay now it's 1.0000000000000000000000000001 they will accept your offer of £60.

I'm not a betting man, does that mean they likely will accept or they won't?

Something something live players something :p

ah you mean they're at it

Knew I'd find a way to get through to you . Because I do my bogus parking charge avoiding online (as I don't have a car ) I'm not up on the lingo :p

[bobAlike]

Not a badge of honour or anything but I've been through this 5 times and currently on the 6th. I do believe you should pay for parking but I also believe you shouldn't be over penalised if you get something wrong like over staying by a few mins etc.

If you want peace of mind just pay up.

[vegaslover]

This is not going well guys.

They keep sending letters, now from debt collectors and solictors. A £60 fine is now up to £202! What's worse is that the address is out of date, and it's being forwarded to my Mum so she is opening the letters each time and fuming with me!

You really think this isn't legit? I really can't be arsed dealing with this stress, for the sake of £60 I should've just paid initially.

Laugh at them and tell em you will see them in Court.
Let the Courts laugh at them when they show that letter that has invoiced for a 'warrant'. Abso fucking joke they believe they can issue one

[ripple11]

A quick google of Gladstones reveals them to be old hands in the parking charge rip off.

I'm firmly in the 'let 'em sue ' camp.

+1

[cambridgealex]

This is not going well guys.

They keep sending letters, now from debt collectors and solictors. A £60 fine is now up to £202! What's worse is that the address is out of date, and it's being forwarded to my Mum so she is opening the letters each time and fuming with me!

You really think this isn't legit? I really can't be arsed dealing with this stress, for the sake of £60 I should've just paid initially.

Laugh at them and tell em you will see them in Court.
Let the Courts laugh at them when they show that letter that has invoiced for a 'warrant'. Abso fucking joke they believe they can issue one

Why is it a joke? Why can't a company buy a car park, charge people to use it, then fine them for not paying?

[RED-DOG]

Wassamatter wit you? If it's upsetting your mum, pay it.

[cambridgealex]

Wassamatter wit you? If it's upsetting your mum, pay it.

I'm redirecting them to me so it won't upset her anymore

[RED-DOG]

Wassamatter wit you? If it's upsetting your mum, pay it.

I'm redirecting them to me so it won't upset her anymore

In that case, stuff em.

[vegaslover]

This is not going well guys.

They keep sending letters, now from debt collectors and solictors. A £60 fine is now up to £202! What's worse is that the address is out of date, and it's being forwarded to my Mum so she is opening the letters each time and fuming with me!

You really think this isn't legit? I really can't be arsed dealing with this stress, for the sake of £60 I should've just paid initially.

Laugh at them and tell em you will see them in Court.
Let the Courts laugh at them when they show that letter that has invoiced for a 'warrant'. Abso fucking joke they believe they can issue one

Why is it a joke? Why can't a company buy a car park, charge people to use it, then fine them for not paying?

That part of running a car park and charging for it obv isn't a joke.
I am referring to the bullying/pressure tactics they are utilising into trying to scare you into paying.
Some shady Solicitor cannot issue a warrant against you, that is for the Courts. Same for bailiffs, parking companies/solicitors/debt collectors etc cannot come round and claim for anything without a judgement from Court.

The fact they are trying to claim costs for a warrant in that letter to you is what I referred to as a fucking joke.

[david3103]

This is not going well guys.

They keep sending letters, now from debt collectors and solictors. A £60 fine is now up to £202! What's worse is that the address is out of date, and it's being forwarded to my Mum so she is opening the letters each time and fuming with me!

You really think this isn't legit? I really can't be arsed dealing with this stress, for the sake of £60 I should've just paid initially.

Laugh at them and tell em you will see them in Court.
Let the Courts laugh at them when they show that letter that has invoiced for a 'warrant'. Abso fucking joke they believe they can issue one

Why is it a joke? Why can't a company buy a car park, charge people to use it, then fine them for not paying?

Buying the car park is ok
Charging to use it is ok
Charging a little extra as a penalty for you overstaying or just not paying the standard cost is ok
What isn't ok, what they definitely can't do is fine you
Nor can they charge more than they have lost through your 'infringement'

[mulhuzz]

This is not going well guys.

They keep sending letters, now from debt collectors and solictors. A £60 fine is now up to £202! What's worse is that the address is out of date, and it's being forwarded to my Mum so she is opening the letters each time and fuming with me!

You really think this isn't legit? I really can't be arsed dealing with this stress, for the sake of £60 I should've just paid initially.

Laugh at them and tell em you will see them in Court.
Let the Courts laugh at them when they show that letter that has invoiced for a 'warrant'. Abso fucking joke they believe they can issue one

Why is it a joke? Why can't a company buy a car park, charge people to use it, then fine them for not paying?

Buying the car park is ok
Charging to use it is ok
Charging a little extra as a penalty for you overstaying or just not paying the standard cost is ok
What isn't ok, what they definitely can't do is fine you
Nor can they charge more than they have lost through your 'infringement'

Fundamentally Alex they can't charge more as a penalty than their loss. This is what is known as a 'punitive charge'; designed only to punish you. They are sometimes acceptable, but not in consumer contracts (which is what this is, you want to consume their car park)

One reason you might think of for legislating against punitive damages in consumer contracts is because it incentives one party to 'force' a breach by the counterpart.

For example, say I said you could park at my spot for £1 for the day, but the car had to be gone before 7pm or I'd fine you £1000. If this was allowed I'd be incentivised to make it hard or impossible for you to get the car out by 7pm, perhaps by letting the tires down at 6:55pm or locking a large gate, etc.

It is a long held principle of contract law that remedy for breach can only amount to the actual (and actually mitigated where possible) damages incurred.

The fact that these companies try to imitate councils and legitimate authorities who *can* impose 'punitive' damages so that they can scare people into paying is a disgrace. It should genuinely be legislated against and all of these private companies should be forced to append a note to each ticket pointing out what the law says they have to pay, or at least explaining how they have reasonably come to asses £60 in damages.

[bobAlike]

In addition to what Mul has said I'm pretty sure that just because there may be signs stating the terms of parking that does not mean you agree to them by parking your car there. Something to do with contract law.

[cambridgealex]

This is not going well guys.

They keep sending letters, now from debt collectors and solictors. A £60 fine is now up to £202! What's worse is that the address is out of date, and it's being forwarded to my Mum so she is opening the letters each time and fuming with me!

You really think this isn't legit? I really can't be arsed dealing with this stress, for the sake of £60 I should've just paid initially.

Laugh at them and tell em you will see them in Court.
Let the Courts laugh at them when they show that letter that has invoiced for a 'warrant'. Abso fucking joke they believe they can issue one

Why is it a joke? Why can't a company buy a car park, charge people to use it, then fine them for not paying?

Buying the car park is ok
Charging to use it is ok
Charging a little extra as a penalty for you overstaying or just not paying the standard cost is ok
What isn't ok, what they definitely can't do is fine you
Nor can they charge more than they have lost through your 'infringement'

Fundamentally Alex they can't charge more as a penalty than their loss. This is what is known as a 'punitive charge'; designed only to punish you. They are sometimes acceptable, but not in consumer contracts (which is what this is, you want to consume their car park)

One reason you might think of for legislating against punitive damages in consumer contracts is because it incentives one party to 'force' a breach by the counterpart.

For example, say I said you could park at my spot for £1 for the day, but the car had to be gone before 7pm or I'd fine you £1000. If this was allowed I'd be incentivised to make it hard or impossible for you to get the car out by 7pm, perhaps by letting the tires down at 6:55pm or locking a large gate, etc.

It is a long held principle of contract law that remedy for breach can only amount to the actual (and actually mitigated where possible) damages incurred.

The fact that these companies try to imitate councils and legitimate authorities who *can* impose 'punitive' damages so that they can scare people into paying is a disgrace. It should genuinely be legislated against and all of these private companies should be forced to append a note to each ticket pointing out what the law says they have to pay, or at least explaining how they have reasonably come to asses £60 in damages.

Thanks, that's really helpful Marc. It's good to finally read things in Lehman's terms.

[GreekStein]

yah good posts itt Mulhuzz.

If you don't know what you're talking about, you've done a cracking job fooling me!