The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

 Sturgeon backs off from secondref. Says she won't try to introduce legislation for immediately. Will revisit Autumn 2018

[TightEnd]

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[MintTrav]

Maybe Theresa May should let this DUP leader handle the Brexit negotiations.

Not just a joke. Both DUP and SF are hugely experienced at negotiating with massive stakes (lives at stake, in fact) for many years. The govt would benefit from their advice.

Look at the current situation, for example. There was probably no need for the govt to concede anything to them. They would never do anything to topple the Tory govt. Yet they turned hardball when May gave the impression that she needed them and seem to have beaten the Tory negotiators to a pulp.

If I was in Tory high-command, I would consider adding some DUP to the negotiating team as strategy advisors.

[Doobs]

I think £1 billion looks extremely cheap compared to the alternative of the Labour manifesto and their expenditure plans.

And as for the Europeans treating us as weaker, well many of those countries governments have been coalitions for years.

The needless pensions triple lock was in the agreement too and is expected to cost us £20bn or so over the next 40 years or so vs the double lock (and way more vs RPI/CPI only).  It depends a lot on the actual inflation rates vs forecast.  It cost us £6bn over the last parliament.

I am in the US but haven't seen this mentioned anywhere.  Of course if you compare vs the money labour were planning to spew you can ignore it and guess there was no way it was getting removed under any type of minority Government.  Though it absolutely should do.

[Doobs]

I think £1 billion looks extremely cheap compared to the alternative of the Labour manifesto and their expenditure plans.

And as for the Europeans treating us as weaker, well many of those countries governments have been coalitions for years.

The needless pensions triple lock was in the agreement too and is expected to cost us £20bn or so over the next 40 years or so vs the double lock (and way more vs RPI/CPI only).  It depends a lot on the actual inflation rates vs forecast.  It cost us £6bn over the last parliament.

I am in the US but haven't seen this mentioned anywhere.  Of course if you compare vs the money labour were planning to spew you can ignore it and guess there was no way it was getting removed under any type of minority Government.  Though it absolutely should do.

Apologies.  The cost is £6bn a year now compared to what it would have been without the triple lock.  The people getting excitable over £1bn are not seeing the wood for the trees. 

The labour party had maintaining this monstrosity in their manifesto too, so it would be a bit hypocritical to complain about it, but rank hypocrisy hasn't seemed a barrier to politicians commenting on Greenfell.

[buffyslayer1]

Keep calm and carry on?

May is back to her relatively comfort zone of governing......rather than her weakness of campaigning.
Corbyn is returning to his weakness of leading an opposition..... rather than his strength of campaigning.

...and of course we are now back to typical British Summer weather.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/448986/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-tory-government-returns-normalcy

Not sure if you agree with the article or not. It's one of the most ridiculous things I have read this week. Pretty detached from reality.

[TightEnd]

Michael Fallon: "Austerity is never over until we clear the deficit." Why that argument no longer works for Tories:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/how-conservatives-lost-argument-over-austerity

[TightEnd]

How TMay abandoned David Cameron's playbook – and paid a terrible price

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/06/how-theresa-may-abandoned-david-camerons-playbook-and-paid-terrible-price

[SuuPRlim]

just watched some old Cameron vs Blair PMQ's clips.

These lads playing a different game.

[TightEnd]

Now that the three Deputy Speakers have been elected, 320 is the number needed for a working majority in the House of Commons.

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[bergeroo]

Now that the three Deputy Speakers have been elected, 320 is the number needed for a working majority in the House of Commons.

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Does Ind mean Independent? Who is the independent MP in this parliament?

I love all these graphs and graphics you put up. Cheers.

[KarmaDope]

There is an Independent MP from Northern Ireland, Sylvia Hermon.

She identifies as Independent Unionist.

[DMorgan]

Just caught up, thanks to everyone that helped to kept the thread rolling over the past few weeks

Yet more interesting times ahead!

[rfgqqabc]

"A decision not to proceed with the second part of the Leveson inquiry into relations between the media and police, following the phone hacking revelations and subsequent trial of executives from the News of the World."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/18/tories-pledge-drop-leveson-part-two-investigation-corrupt-dealings/

https://www.ft.com/content/fce9027a-3bc8-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23?mhq5j=e2


caution; didn't read this link but wanted to save it/the site for later

http://hackinginquiry.org/comment/the-governments-consultation-on-the-press-amber-rudd-and-karen-bradley-are-trying-to-deceive-the-public/

[The Camel]

Really this is a dream scenario for Labour right now.

They get to pick the battles they fight with Tories, such as the pay cap for public sector workers debate yesterday, make the government gradually more and more unpopular as they go a long. But at the same time don't have to deal with the poisoned chalice of Brexit negoiations.

If Labour don't shoot themselves in the foot, they might be win a 100 seat majority in the next election.