The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:

CON 40 (–1)
LAB 44 (+2)
LD 9 (=)
UKIP 2 (-1)
GRN 1 (-1)
SNP 4 (+1)

15th-18th
N=1,023

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/jeremy-corbyns-leader-image-ratings-improve-last-conference-season-theresa-mays-get-worse

[rfgqqabc]

What price would you give me Turkey joins the EU before or during 2020? What about 2027?

I thought this was largely settled with Erdrogan's antics but a good friend of mine whose a Leave supporter brought it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union#Recent_developments

Only late 2016 was the process completely stopped. Bit later than I'd thought.

[The Camel]

Very latest poll in UK: If there was another EU ref how would you vote?

Remain 45%
Leave 45%
D K/wouldn't vote 10%

Opinium Sep 12-15

still no sign of buyers remorse, as it isn't about economics for many leavers.

I'm pretty convinced that if there is a second referendum, leave would win again.

Then what?

On blanace I think we are better off making the best of a bad lot and campaigning for a Labour government.

Brexit guided by Corbyn scares me a lot less than under the Tories.

[TightEnd]

From the BBC Govt source - UK willing to pay 20bn euros during transition period BUT only if we have access to single market + some form of customs union. So that's got no chance of being accepted then

[doubleup]

What price would you give me Turkey joins the EU before or during 2020? What about 2027?

I thought this was largely settled with Erdrogan's antics but a good friend of mine whose a Leave supporter brought it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union#Recent_developments

Only late 2016 was the process completely stopped. Bit later than I'd thought.

No chance whatsoever by 2020, almost no chance by 2027.  A more realistic bet would be will Turkey be expelled from Nato by those dates.

From your link

In a visit to Germany on 31 October 2012, Turkish Prime Minister R.T. Erdoğan made clear that Turkey was expecting membership in the Union to be realised by 2023

So that was 2023, before Erdogan went rogue.

[doubleup]

From the BBC Govt source - UK willing to pay 20bn euros during transition period BUT only if we have access to single market + some form of customs union. So that's got no chance of being accepted then

Who the fuck does she think she is kidding?  She obviously wants the talks to break down.  Does she seriously think that anyone but her is going to get the blame for that?  If there isn't some sort of Grand Coalition made up of Tory rebels and everyone else to see the country through negotiations, I can see an election before the year end.

[TightEnd]

 Of course, 2 year transition - if it happens - will be v like being in the EU. That's the point. Delay the inevitable because the govt, civil service can't do it in time or even agree what it wants

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There are concerns that preparations for a 'no deal' Brexit situation are so bad that the UK couldn't actually do it

[TightEnd]

Michel Barnier: UK only has one year left to get a Brexit deal

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/89186/michel-barnier-uk-only-has-one-year-left-get-brexit

[TightEnd]

With a liar like Boris Johnson as foreign secretary how can Europe trust Britain?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/21/liar-boris-johnson-europe-trust-britain-brexit-bill?CMP=twt_gu

[TightEnd]

Age divides continue - young are half as likely as older people to think Labour should change its leader

IpsosMORI

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/jeremy-corbyns-leader-image-ratings-improve-last-conference-season-theresa-mays-get-worse

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[TightEnd]

The EU is the only issue on which party activists significantly diverge from Jeremy Corbyn

http://www.newstatesman.com/2017/09/how-will-labour-manage-its-brexit-divisions

[TightEnd]

 Barnier also suggests need for ECJ oversight of citizens rights package proven by Home Office deportation letters/ "defying" High Ct

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[TightEnd]

Hard-hitting anti-Brexit speech by campbell

http://www.alastaircampbell.org/blog/2017/09/21/speech-why-i-find-it-impossible-to-get-behind-brexit-and-why-mps-and-business-need-to-fight-harder-against-it/

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[TightEnd]

Boris mayhem. Pay-Cap backlash. Brexit woes. Still the Conservatives poll 40%.

The reason is quite simple: the collapse of Ukip - now on 2 per cent (4 million voted Ukip in 2015 general election)

or,no one is actually watching what has been happening this summer!