The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[nirvana]

Don't really think the Tories are in chaos. Headline writers with a massive agenda write for their own type..it doesn't persuade anyone who barely pay attention to politics. Labour scooped up the economically disadvantaged and students..there's no further constituency to go for..not who's listening anyway

[nirvana]

Also, labour has tried to appeal to remainers despite voting article 50 through. Could potentially gain more by stop talking us down and embracing brexit more positively..like Corbyn would like to do

[AndrewT]

Labour got hurt by losing working-class Leave voters to UKIP/Tories. They're not going to come back until this Brexit thing is sorted out.

Not until then can Labour get these people back (which would, of course, be helped by the effects of Brexit sticking it right in the arse of Leave areas).

[nirvana]

Labour got hurt by losing working-class Leave voters to UKIP/Tories. They're not going to come back until this Brexit thing is sorted out.

Not until then can Labour get these people back (which would, of course, be helped by the effects of Brexit sticking it right in the arse of Leave areas).

I do hope leafy Herts generally voted to remain so I can avoid any unwanted intrusions

[kukushkin88]

If they said they'd cancel Article 50 in the interest of the country, as a result of significant new information that had come to light, they'd have a 15-20% lead I reckon. It might translate to big losses in the north at an election though.

[The Camel]

Don't really think the Tories are in chaos. Headline writers with a massive agenda write for their own type..it doesn't persuade anyone who barely pay attention to politics. Labour scooped up the economically disadvantaged and students..there's no further constituency to go for..not who's listening anyway

You generally talk a lot of sense nirvana, but how can you think they aren't in chaos?

The Chancellor is taking a completely different line to Brexit than the Reade Secretary.

And in any normal government the Foreign Secretary would have been fired months ago. He is a laughing stock but May can't act and disturb the leave / remain balance of the cabinet.

[nirvana]

Don't really think the Tories are in chaos. Headline writers with a massive agenda write for their own type..it doesn't persuade anyone who barely pay attention to politics. Labour scooped up the economically disadvantaged and students..there's no further constituency to go for..not who's listening anyway

You generally talk a lot of sense nirvana, but how can you think they aren't in chaos?

The Chancellor is taking a completely different line to Brexit than the Reade Secretary.

And in any normal government the Foreign Secretary would have been fired months ago. He is a laughing stock but May can't act and disturb the leave / remain balance of the cabinet.

I kind of take yr ticket but in my lifetime I can remember greater chaos during the 70s and early 80s. Considering the massive massive massiveness  of brexit I actually think they're doing quite well to function at all

[AndrewT]

Considering the massive massive massiveness  of brexit I actually think they're doing quite well to function at all

The massive massive massiveness of Brexit hasn't started yet - all that's happened is the start of talks to begin trying to start it has barely yet begun. And that's going really badly.

[nirvana]

Can't say I agree it's going badly but I understand why people feel like that.

However our ability to cock up the aftermath, if we leave, probably shouldn't be underestimated.

[kukushkin88]

Can't say I agree it's going badly but I understand why people feel like that.

However our ability to cock up the aftermath, if we leave, probably shouldn't be underestimated.

It would be interesting to hear your reasoning for thinking it isn't going badly.

[nirvana]

Can't say I agree it's going badly but I understand why people feel like that.

However our ability to cock up the aftermath, if we leave, probably shouldn't be underestimated.

It would be interesting to hear your reasoning for thinking it isn't going badly.

Because all the people telling me it's going badly are from one of a few groups:

a) Broadly the same people who called me a thick racist before and after the vote
b) The European negotiators who have a large financial vested interest in making us look silly/intransigent and themselves look sophisticated/accomodating
c) From the leadership of UK plcs who benefit the most from wage stagnation, cheap labour etc
d) Politically motivated point scoring socialists (I'm a pucker socialist but not a point scorer) who constantly try to turn this into a party political issue

As an aside, I think b) is shifting a little and will probably change a great deal more given how incredibly reasonable we're being

And finally, it's a huge undertaking - why would anyone think it would be anything other than bumpy and a very difficult process - bumpy, challenging etc doesn't make me want to characterise the whole thing as going badly.

It's another question as to whether it's actually worth anyone's time and effort though.

[Woodsey]

Can't say I agree it's going badly but I understand why people feel like that.

However our ability to cock up the aftermath, if we leave, probably shouldn't be underestimated.

It would be interesting to hear your reasoning for thinking it isn't going badly.

Because all the people telling me it's going badly are from one of a few groups:

a) Broadly the same people who called me a thick racist before and after the vote
b) The European negotiators who have a large financial vested interest in making us look silly/intransigent and themselves look sophisticated/accomodating
c) From the leadership of UK plcs who benefit the most from wage stagnation, cheap labour etc
d) Politically motivated point scoring socialists (I'm a pucker socialist but not a point scorer) who constantly try to turn this into a party political issue

As an aside, I think b) is shifting a little and will probably change a great deal more given how incredibly reasonable we're being

And finally, it's a huge undertaking - why would anyone think it would be anything other than bumpy and a very difficult process - bumpy, challenging etc doesn't make me want to characterise the whole thing as going badly.

It's another question as to whether it's actually worth anyone's time and effort though.

Ohhhh stop being so positive you thick racist, that’s not allowed on here don’t you know 

[kukushkin88]

Can't say I agree it's going badly but I understand why people feel like that.

However our ability to cock up the aftermath, if we leave, probably shouldn't be underestimated.

It would be interesting to hear your reasoning for thinking it isn't going badly.

Because all the people telling me it's going badly are from one of a few groups:

a) Broadly the same people who called me a thick racist before and after the vote
b) The European negotiators who have a large financial vested interest in making us look silly/intransigent and themselves look sophisticated/accomodating
c) From the leadership of UK plcs who benefit the most from wage stagnation, cheap labour etc
d) Politically motivated point scoring socialists (I'm a pucker socialist but not a point scorer) who constantly try to turn this into a party political issue

As an aside, I think b) is shifting a little and will probably change a great deal more given how incredibly reasonable we're being

And finally, it's a huge undertaking - why would anyone think it would be anything other than bumpy and a very difficult process - bumpy, challenging etc doesn't make me want to characterise the whole thing as going badly.

It's another question as to whether it's actually worth anyone's time and effort though.

Ohhhh stop being so positive you thick racist, that’s not allowed on here don’t you know 

So we're saying they're not right? C is ok I guess but Britain is in decline can't be argued can it? As always Woodsey is a random lol.

[Woodsey]

Can't say I agree it's going badly but I understand why people feel like that.

However our ability to cock up the aftermath, if we leave, probably shouldn't be underestimated.

It would be interesting to hear your reasoning for thinking it isn't going badly.

Because all the people telling me it's going badly are from one of a few groups:

a) Broadly the same people who called me a thick racist before and after the vote
b) The European negotiators who have a large financial vested interest in making us look silly/intransigent and themselves look sophisticated/accomodating
c) From the leadership of UK plcs who benefit the most from wage stagnation, cheap labour etc
d) Politically motivated point scoring socialists (I'm a pucker socialist but not a point scorer) who constantly try to turn this into a party political issue

As an aside, I think b) is shifting a little and will probably change a great deal more given how incredibly reasonable we're being

And finally, it's a huge undertaking - why would anyone think it would be anything other than bumpy and a very difficult process - bumpy, challenging etc doesn't make me want to characterise the whole thing as going badly.

It's another question as to whether it's actually worth anyone's time and effort though.

Ohhhh stop being so positive you thick racist, that’s not allowed on here don’t you know 

So we're saying they're not right? C is ok I guess but Britain is in decline can't be argued can it? As always Woodsey is a random lol.

You posting after being on the ales again son and speaking your gibberish? 

[kukushkin88]

Can't say I agree it's going badly but I understand why people feel like that.

However our ability to cock up the aftermath, if we leave, probably shouldn't be underestimated.

It would be interesting to hear your reasoning for thinking it isn't going badly.

Because all the people telling me it's going badly are from one of a few groups:

a) Broadly the same people who called me a thick racist before and after the vote
b) The European negotiators who have a large financial vested interest in making us look silly/intransigent and themselves look sophisticated/accomodating
c) From the leadership of UK plcs who benefit the most from wage stagnation, cheap labour etc
d) Politically motivated point scoring socialists (I'm a pucker socialist but not a point scorer) who constantly try to turn this into a party political issue

As an aside, I think b) is shifting a little and will probably change a great deal more given how incredibly reasonable we're being

And finally, it's a huge undertaking - why would anyone think it would be anything other than bumpy and a very difficult process - bumpy, challenging etc doesn't make me want to characterise the whole thing as going badly.

It's another question as to whether it's actually worth anyone's time and effort though.

Ohhhh stop being so positive you thick racist, that’s not allowed on here don’t you know  

So we're saying they're not right? C is ok I guess but Britain is in decline can't be argued can it? As always Woodsey is a random lol.

You posting after being on the ales again son and speaking your gibberish?  

I'm 40 next year, a little old for the term of endearment that is 'son'. You're quite right, a few ales on a week night, pretty much unheard of me. Went to an excellent gig, Mick Thomas the Aussie legend. Anyway, apologies for the unnecessary criticism of you. I think you probably overreacted by rotflyfao though.