The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[teddybloat]

i mean, adequate food supply for a few weeks - albeit potentially without crumpets - i really dont know how the nation will survive.

i'm lucky enough to be working with folk who were children during the blitz. i may ask them for advice on how to remain stoic in the face of such adversity

[Woodsey]

"We face the biggest peacetime decision in a generation – the public must have the final say on Brexit"

by a popular author

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-peter-mandelson-final-say-second-referendum-peoples-vote-a8469351.html

Since when was Peter Mandelson popular?   

[bobAlike]

"We face the biggest peacetime decision in a generation – the public must have the final say on Brexit"

by a popular author

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-peter-mandelson-final-say-second-referendum-peoples-vote-a8469351.html

Since when was Peter Mandelson popular?   

I'm now worried, I might have flipped sides if I didnt already support Brexit.

[teddybloat]

also jay fucking rayner lol.

this is a man who would be genuinely horrified at not having access to Himalayan salt and who uses words like soupçon in general conversation.

he once described a lemon tart as being 'serious like it has read too much proust'

armed with talk of adequate food supply and the waitrose world foods aisle being decimated he is just the man to win over the man on the clapham omnibus

[nirvana]

i mean, adequate food supply for a few weeks - albeit potentially without crumpets - i really dont know how the nation will survive.

i'm lucky enough to be working with folk who were children during the blitz. i may ask them for advice on how to remain stoic in the face of such adversity

yeah but crepes though :-)

The hyperbole quoted a couple of posts up stiffens my resolve rather than intimidates, though I'm sure intimidation is the sole intent.

The whole piece is premised on the absolute worse case scenario (from the writers perspective) of no deal. And the worse case scenario of the worse case scenario is adequate food supplies. How, with any kind of balanced view, can someone describe this as "a dereliction of duty and an abnegation of the basic responsibilities of good government, on a truly staggering scale"

Still pretty convinced that 90% + of people in the UK aren't even listening to the discourse on Brexit and sure that most people who are concerned/mortally terrified about the prospects post Brexit are the people who voted remain in the first place. I'd love to know how many leavers would vote differently now after 2 more years of warnings.

[Pokerpops]

"We face the biggest peacetime decision in a generation – the public must have the final say on Brexit"

by a popular author

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-peter-mandelson-final-say-second-referendum-peoples-vote-a8469351.html

Since when was Peter Mandelson popular?   

I'm now worried, I might have flipped sides if I didnt already support Brexit.

If the ‘People’s Vote’ campaign can’t come up with someone better than Mandelson they’re really in trouble. They already carry the handicap of Bliar’s support.

Note the NLP use of the term Brextremist

[teddybloat]

i mean, adequate food supply for a few weeks - albeit potentially without crumpets - i really dont know how the nation will survive.

i'm lucky enough to be working with folk who were children during the blitz. i may ask them for advice on how to remain stoic in the face of such adversity

yeah but crepes though :-)

The hyperbole quoted a couple of posts up stiffens my resolve rather than intimidates, though I'm sure intimidation is the sole intent.

The whole piece is premised on the absolute worse case scenario (from the writers perspective) of no deal. And the worse case scenario of the worse case scenario is adequate food supplies. How, with any kind of balanced view, can someone describe this as "a dereliction of duty and an abnegation of the basic responsibilities of good government, on a truly staggering scale"

Still pretty convinced that 90% + of people in the UK aren't even listening to the discourse on Brexit and sure that most people who are concerned/mortally terrified about the prospects post Brexit are the people who voted remain in the first place. I'd love to know how many leavers would vote differently now after 2 more years of warnings.

this is the thing.

no one from remain wants to directly address the issues brexit-people voted on.

mint trav (i think) before the vote addressed directly a number of the issues i had with eu membership and came as close as anyone to making me change my mind or at least or abstain. but other than an interaction on a poker message board all i heard was hysteria, accusations and patronisation.

immigration was not being spoke about in the open, and it was impossible to have a sensible conversation as precious few on remain granted good faith to those on leave [and i speak as someone who at the time would have been completely fine with open borders post brexit - that i have changed my mind maybe gives a clue to the paucity and futility of the tone at the time]

few wanted to talk about democratic sovereignty, and when they did it the leave side was painted at best as little englanders and at worst out and out zenophobes [despite the socialist left being amongst the most vociferous on this concern] and the one sober voice on the subject that i remember on this forum called my concern a nationalistic illusion in his last post.


so we dont have the issues being met head on, we have flannelling at the edges of debate and posts referencing jay rayner talking about a few weeks of a reduction of choice in the food we eat, and us being refered to as deluded nationalists / deluded freedom fighters / and accusations of not caring about folk to the extent that we would see them die before we reconsider our position.

that sort of shit didnt work before the vote, and its laughable now.

[Woodsey]

i mean, adequate food supply for a few weeks - albeit potentially without crumpets - i really dont know how the nation will survive.

i'm lucky enough to be working with folk who were children during the blitz. i may ask them for advice on how to remain stoic in the face of such adversity

yeah but crepes though :-)

The hyperbole quoted a couple of posts up stiffens my resolve rather than intimidates, though I'm sure intimidation is the sole intent.

The whole piece is premised on the absolute worse case scenario (from the writers perspective) of no deal. And the worse case scenario of the worse case scenario is adequate food supplies. How, with any kind of balanced view, can someone describe this as "a dereliction of duty and an abnegation of the basic responsibilities of good government, on a truly staggering scale"

Still pretty convinced that 90% + of people in the UK aren't even listening to the discourse on Brexit and sure that most people who are concerned/mortally terrified about the prospects post Brexit are the people who voted remain in the first place. I'd love to know how many leavers would vote differently now after 2 more years of warnings.

this is the thing.

no one from remain wants to directly address the issues brexit-people voted on.

mint trav (i think) before the vote addressed directly a number of the issues i had with eu membership and came as close as anyone to making me change my mind or at least or abstain. but other than an interaction on a poker message board all i heard was hysteria, accusations and patronisation.

immigration was not being spoke about in the open, and it was impossible to have a sensible conversation as precious few on remain granted good faith to those on leave [and i speak as someone who at the time would have been completely fine with open borders post brexit - that i have changed my mind maybe gives a clue to the paucity and futility of the tone at the time]

few wanted to talk about democratic sovereignty, and when they did it the leave side was painted at best as little englanders and at worst out and out zenophobes [despite the socialist left being amongst the most vociferous on this concern] and the one sober voice on the subject that i remember on this forum called my concern a nationalistic illusion in his last post.


so we dont have the issues being met head on, we have flannelling at the edges of debate and posts referencing jay rayner talking about a few weeks of a reduction of choice in the food we eat, and us being refered to as deluded nationalists / deluded freedom fighters / and accusations of not caring about folk to the extent that we would see them die before we reconsider our position.

that sort of shit didnt work before the vote, and its laughable now.

You’re thick as well, don’t forget that little gem! 

[MANTIS01]

tbh I'm pretty shocked by the lack of leadership change from all parties. What an opportunity for an inspirational leader to step up, from any party. Sorry Corbyn fans but you must be disappointed having an open goal and JC just hanging around the edges like a lost homeless. The Tories have faired no better with all the back-stabbing and division when the country needed unity. It's amazing to think how long politicians get in the hot seat compared to say sales managers or premier league managers. Pretty crushing to survey our options here & quite frankly amazed with their conclusion summer hollibobs is priority no.1

[RickBFA]

i mean, adequate food supply for a few weeks - albeit potentially without crumpets - i really dont know how the nation will survive.

i'm lucky enough to be working with folk who were children during the blitz. i may ask them for advice on how to remain stoic in the face of such adversity

yeah but crepes though :-)

The hyperbole quoted a couple of posts up stiffens my resolve rather than intimidates, though I'm sure intimidation is the sole intent.

The whole piece is premised on the absolute worse case scenario (from the writers perspective) of no deal. And the worse case scenario of the worse case scenario is adequate food supplies. How, with any kind of balanced view, can someone describe this as "a dereliction of duty and an abnegation of the basic responsibilities of good government, on a truly staggering scale"

Still pretty convinced that 90% + of people in the UK aren't even listening to the discourse on Brexit and sure that most people who are concerned/mortally terrified about the prospects post Brexit are the people who voted remain in the first place. I'd love to know how many leavers would vote differently now after 2 more years of warnings.

this is the thing.

no one from remain wants to directly address the issues brexit-people voted on.

mint trav (i think) before the vote addressed directly a number of the issues i had with eu membership and came as close as anyone to making me change my mind or at least or abstain. but other than an interaction on a poker message board all i heard was hysteria, accusations and patronisation.

immigration was not being spoke about in the open, and it was impossible to have a sensible conversation as precious few on remain granted good faith to those on leave [and i speak as someone who at the time would have been completely fine with open borders post brexit - that i have changed my mind maybe gives a clue to the paucity and futility of the tone at the time]

few wanted to talk about democratic sovereignty, and when they did it the leave side was painted at best as little englanders and at worst out and out zenophobes [despite the socialist left being amongst the most vociferous on this concern] and the one sober voice on the subject that i remember on this forum called my concern a nationalistic illusion in his last post.


so we dont have the issues being met head on, we have flannelling at the edges of debate and posts referencing jay rayner talking about a few weeks of a reduction of choice in the food we eat, and us being refered to as deluded nationalists / deluded freedom fighters / and accusations of not caring about folk to the extent that we would see them die before we reconsider our position.

that sort of shit didnt work before the vote, and its laughable now.

Vote Remain’s horrific campaign has only been superseded by Tory infighting.

Awful leadership and politicians on all sides.

[TightEnd]

this is reasonable,is it not?

"There's a Brexit madness afflicting UK politics and it appears to be getting worse. A boringly moderate and old fashioned UK pragmatic thread on betrayal, no deal, and what next.."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1024255432267915264.html

[nirvana]

this is reasonable,is it not?

"There's a Brexit madness afflicting UK politics and it appears to be getting worse. A boringly moderate and old fashioned UK pragmatic thread on betrayal, no deal, and what next.."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1024255432267915264.html

I'd probably think 9 & 10 are worded in a way that wouldn't be my preference but can't disagree on the whole. 3 is especially well put I thought

[Pokerpops]

this is reasonable,is it not?

"There's a Brexit madness afflicting UK politics and it appears to be getting worse. A boringly moderate and old fashioned UK pragmatic thread on betrayal, no deal, and what next.."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1024255432267915264.html

Lots of stating the obvious here. Including this The UK public voted 52:48 to leave the EU. That is a fact. Whether the 52 voted to control immigration, promote trade, join EEA or whatever is speculation. As is discerning the motives of the 48.

and this Democracy is thus served by leaving the EU. It does not follow that this has to be no-deal, EEA, FTA, whatever.

Not sure I would agree with 10. The EU haven’t been blameless n the failure of the negotiations although our Political and beaurocratic leaders must take a large share of responsibility for the current state of affairs.


Seems that pragmatism in this scenario is being defined as pausing the clock n our leaving the EU.

[MANTIS01]

The Referendum question was terrible wasn't it? Leads to lots of these current problems.

Do you want to stay or go? Stupid question given the context, very final, no caveats and without extensive, complex evidence to consider it's just an emotional coin toss. Instead use EU reform, not in current state or then we leave, it must offer better leverage that our current position. So we have a simpleton question, no evidence presented or plan considered, PM off to Nice with trotters up, no effective opposition. omg the Maybot body language tilts me, all crouched over shows she's been playing a busted flush for weeks, very unhelpful, very tilting. The back-stabbing, the pretty disastrous Trump visit, the summer vacation to show EU we still relaxed & can go sun tan, the rejected white paper. I mean honestly what a magnificent display of ineffectual leadership. What a complete shower.

Oh and straighten your back Theresa, we're supposed to be entering a brand new world! It's exciting right?

[nirvana]

The Referendum question was terrible wasn't it? Leads to lots of these current problems.

Do you want to stay or go? Stupid question given the context, very final, no caveats and without extensive, complex evidence to consider it's just an emotional coin toss. Instead use EU reform, not in current state or then we leave, it must offer better leverage that our current position. So we have a simpleton question, no evidence presented or plan considered, PM off to Nice with trotters up, no effective opposition. omg the Maybot body language tilts me, all crouched over shows she's been playing a busted flush for weeks, very unhelpful, very tilting. The back-stabbing, the pretty disastrous Trump visit, the summer vacation to show EU we still relaxed & can go sun tan, the rejected white paper. I mean honestly what a magnificent display of ineffectual leadership. What a complete shower.

Oh and straighten your back Theresa, we're supposed to be entering a brand new world! It's exciting right?

Haha, calm down mate, it's not long from here to hashtagging # FBPE