The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

Doobs and Camel talk about increasing immigration to pay for us when we are old which is correct, but aren't we just kicking the can down the road?  Presumably we bring in a load of working age bods to generate tax and then they'll get old and we'll have to increase the number of new workers again.  At some point we'll run out of capacity unless we are planning to kick out the new tax generators once they have done their bit and paid for our care homes!

So what's the answer?

Selective immigration of skilled workers who earn higher salaries and pay more tax.

When my Dad was in a care home for the last few months of his life not one of the nurses, cooks or cleaning staff was a native British person.

How do you propose to staff care homes and hospitals which within 30 years we will need far more than we've got now.

Employ some of the 1.5 mill (or whatever the actual number is) unemployed in the uk first, then fill any shortfall with other immigrants as we require.

British people (on the whole) don't want shitty jobs.

Tough shit, they shouldn't get to choose over sitting on their arse, take the job or lose your benefits. Not having money tends to focus the mind....

I did all kinds of shit jobs when I was starting out, never did me any harm. Rights of passage imo...

[Pinchop73]

You can't have Open Borders and a Welfare State.

[Pinchop73]

It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most adaptable to change

[david3103]

Doobs and Camel talk about increasing immigration to pay for us when we are old which is correct, but aren't we just kicking the can down the road?  Presumably we bring in a load of working age bods to generate tax and then they'll get old and we'll have to increase the number of new workers again.  At some point we'll run out of capacity unless we are planning to kick out the new tax generators once they have done their bit and paid for our care homes!

So what's the answer?

Selective immigration of skilled workers who earn higher salaries and pay more tax.

When my Dad was in a care home for the last few months of his life not one of the nurses, cooks or cleaning staff was a native British person.

How do you propose to staff care homes and hospitals which within 30 years we will need far more than we've got now.

The Windward generation came to these shores in the post war years to fill gaps in our workforce. They grew up and enriched our nation. The Ugandan Asians arrived some time later and have also had a positive impact over the years. We have taken in the displaced of many conflicts.

Right now there are millions of people who have been displaced by war and famine in the world beyond Europe. One report suggested a number that is the equivalent of the U.K. population. We can't take them all, but I'd feel a lot better about my country if it was seeing net migration of 300,000 a year from that group. Our capacity to help these people is limited by our commitment to the EU. Sure we can allow EU citizens to come here to work, but the operative word has to be allow.

[TightEnd]

this is really really good on some of the issues we were talking about last night

The UK is now two nations, staring across a political chasm

Leave voters aren’t lemmings jumping off a cliff, and the left urgently needs to understand their choices

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/23/united-kingdom-two-nations-political-chasm-left?CMP=share_btn_tw

[AndrewT]

Price on Remain has crashed in the past hour - Leave now out to 6.2 on betfair, the biggest it's been since the campaign began. FTSE also jumped 80 points and the pound gained a cent vs the dollar.

Looks like whoever has commissioned some private exit polls have started getting some data back.

[DaveShoelace]

Quick question from a dense person about currency

Looks like Remain is happening, I get paid in dollars, would it be in my interest to submit my regular invoice today, or tomorrow, assuming Remain does happen, to get the better exchange rate? I'd get paid same day so would be instant.

[AndrewT]

Quick question from a dense person about currency

Looks like Remain is happening, I get paid in dollars, would it be in my interest to submit my regular invoice today, or tomorrow, assuming Remain does happen, to get the better exchange rate? I'd get paid same day so would be instant.

Today you will get more pounds for your dollar than you will tomorrow, though with this move in the past hour the market may already have adjusted as far as it will go

[Doobs]

Quick question from a dense person about currency

Looks like Remain is happening, I get paid in dollars, would it be in my interest to submit my regular invoice today, or tomorrow, assuming Remain does happen, to get the better exchange rate? I'd get paid same day so would be instant.

yesterday!

Seriously, if you want certainty I'd do it now.  Most of thE currency gain from remain should be already in there.  Guess you are taking a 6/1 chance on a 10% pay drop if you wait until tomorrow.

[DaveShoelace]

Thanks guys, confirmed what my gut instinct was there, will do. If nothing else its a fun little gamble of sorts.

[Doobs]

Thanks guys, confirmed what my gut instinct was there, will do. If nothing else its a fun little gamble of sorts.

actually, I got it the wrong way round.  You are paid in dollars, so a sterling collapse is in your interest.  Gamble on the 10% pay increase like a boss. 

[TightEnd]

I have one nice invoice submitted in $, paid in £ next Monday. Sweat :-)

[Doobs]

Am tempted to take the 6/1, then at least if the proper working class get their way then I can have a nice glass of champagne in my Tuscan villa to drown my sorrows.  Ok Yah.

[TightEnd]

Price on Remain has crashed in the past hour - Leave now out to 6.2 on betfair, the biggest it's been since the campaign began. FTSE also jumped 80 points and the pound gained a cent vs the dollar.

Looks like whoever has commissioned some private exit polls have started getting some data back.

I was exit polled this morning (or at least thats what he told me it was), but i didn't think there were any exit polls tonight

anyone else been exit polled?

[DaveShoelace]

Am tempted to take the 6/1, then at least if the proper working class get their way then I can have a nice glass of champagne in my Tuscan villa to drown my sorrows.  Ok Yah.

That will be nice for you before the Gulag come along and seize it from you