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« on: January 30, 2006, 05:30:49 PM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4661958.stm

An interesting precedent to set, especially during a big tournament.  Anyone in Glasgow or elsewhere concerned?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 05:59:16 PM »

so have they got a license or not?

That's why Rob Yong is doing his all through the right channels. Gaming licenses aren't currently optional and it does seem like unlicensed card clubs are popping up all over the place.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2006, 06:04:02 PM »

no idea about the Cavendish's licence in particular

but speaking to a couple of people who operate without, the problem is that the cost of a licence beforehand and the restrictions on rake whilst in operation would make it impossible for these clubs to make money if licenced

As very few people operate as a charitable cause for poker players wishing to play outside licensed casino this is why most prefer to take their chances
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 06:07:12 PM »

thats what I mean though. it's too expensice to do legally so people dont bother. then act suprised when they get raided. I'm not saying I agree with the way the licensing is done, it obviously needs a complete overhaul, but you run an illegal card room, sooner or later you'll get the knock.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2006, 06:08:14 PM »

No, they don't have a license.

Its been assumed that all the forces in the UK were awaiting the outcome of the Gutshot case before acting on unlicensed establishments, but it seems the PSNI are a bit keen.  I suppose the worrying thing must be the confiscation of players money in the tournament, it would make me think twice about playing an expensive buy-in tournament at an unlicensed venue.

It seems Rob Yong may have a point.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2006, 06:09:43 PM »

what would David Brent say about 'assume'

off to rewatch the office DVDs now I've thought about them
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2006, 06:16:41 PM »

No, they don't have a license.

Its been assumed that all the forces in the UK were awaiting the outcome of the Gutshot case before acting on unlicensed establishments, but it seems the PSNI are a bit keen.  I suppose the worrying thing must be the confiscation of players money in the tournament, it would make me think twice about playing an expensive buy-in tournament at an unlicensed venue.

It seems Rob Yong may have a point.


Harlow too, not just PSNI

Rob Yong always was right on this issue, but his motivation IMHO is as much about having the right club as making his P and L look stunning. Unlicenced operators have different motivations.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2006, 06:26:49 PM »

i heard that certain clubs in NI are operating as mini casinos with roullette and blackjack, now i cant comment on the cavendish club as i dont know about this, but if card clubs do try to offer other forms of gaming then they are opening themselves right up.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2006, 06:29:17 PM »

Hi folks

From what I understand the gaming laws in Northern Ireland are different to the mainland in terms of Poker Clubs and the like.

They'll be plenty of time to worry...

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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2006, 07:02:35 PM »

The article stated that he contacted a senior member of the police force before the club opened and was told somethign like "I don't think what you're planning will be a problem - but if there is one i'll get in contact with you".

So it might come as a bit of a suprise when armed officers storm in...
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2006, 02:16:17 AM »

Hi all,
      I have submitted an article on this subject to Blonde Poker, among others, which I hope will be posted on the site shortly. I was playing in the club when the police arrived. I will do my best to answer, or pass on any questions you may have on the rather grey area of the law regarding poker in N. Ireland. The club may or may not be legal, but I cannot agree with the way the police handled the situation,including seizing the players money in the form of the prize fund. Do we, the players, really deserve to have our money seized just because we like a game of poker among consenting adults, in a private place?
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2006, 02:26:07 AM »

Thank you Headcase, we will certainly be pleased to publish your story - where, & to whom, did you send it?
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2006, 02:29:24 AM »

P.S.

If any of you wish to express support for the Cavendish Club, they have started an online petition on their website. Log onto www.thecavendishclub.com
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2006, 02:31:56 AM »

Thank you Headcase, we will certainly be pleased to publish your story - where, & to whom, did you send it?

Hi Tony,
          Sent it to you and Dave at your personal email address.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2006, 02:45:43 AM »

The club may or may not be legal, but I cannot agree with the way the police handled the situation,including seizing the players money in the form of the prize fund. Do we, the players, really deserve to have our money seized just because we like a game of poker among consenting adults, in a private place?

hi mick

hope you recovered from what must have been a terrible experiance and i imagine the police could of been heavy handed turning up in riot gear etc etc

but how should the police of handle what might/ might not be an illegal game

if they turn up when no one is there the management turn round say oh no there is no gaming here we play for fun, so they have to turn up when a game is on as such any money found would be held in evidance.

now the rights and wrongs of this if for your representives in the NI assemby mine in the scottish executive and the rests in the house of commons to decide

personally i wish they would come down in the side of legallising clubs and regulating them ASAP



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