GreekStein
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2015, 08:34:56 PM » |
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Couldn't imagine falling out with a friend about this. How does that happen?
Could you not? If one player thinks he is being cut short, then it's surely a potential problem Player A should insist that PLayer B gets 10% of Copenhagen.
Player B should insist that Player A gets 10% of travel/hotel covered.
That's how friends do it.
Player B assumes after event that he has 10% of seat anyway and look foward to the rail. Player A and B discuss the matter in which A says to B that he indeed does not have 10% as it was not discussed. Player B asks for opinion of a reputable name in poker who suggests the above and Player B offers 10% of costs. Player A still says that he isn't giving away 10%. Because I only swap 10% with people I know have similar ethics to mine and are good people. I wouldn't fall out with a friend over a slight misunderstanding of how some prize should be split. If one party was unclear I would just tell them to ask someone (the first people I suggest are the likes of Trigg, Camel, Simon Galloway) and I'd go with whatever they said without making an issue of it beforehand. Player A's response is of a grade A c***. |
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Magic817
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2015, 12:32:20 AM » |
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get new friends if this has become a big deal
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2015, 01:21:03 AM » |
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Couldn't imagine falling out with a friend about this. How does that happen?
This totally sums it up for me. |
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2015, 01:34:40 AM » |
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I agree. can't be very close if this stuff happens . Genuine friends are not so easy to come by .
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Boba Fett
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2015, 05:56:10 AM » |
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probably a good idea to look at what he potential prizes are before swapping %s and coming to an agreement on stuff like that
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Ya gotta crawl before ya ball!
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SuuPRlim
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2015, 07:04:58 AM » |
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Player A is one of those 'EV boys' I guess. Like the guys who cash big in Vegas and try to sell their dollars to friends for a vig etc.
I am pretty sure he will never be convinced that he is wrong. As far as he is concerned it was never discussed and so 'by the letter of the law' he is not obliged to give up the 10%. Short-sighted and completely classless, but there are a lot out there in the gambling world just like him unfortunately.
Praz calls them EV RATS,then doess little rat impression afterwards, very amusing. |
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RED-DOG
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2015, 09:38:47 AM » |
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Is player A Arron?
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DungBeetle
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2015, 09:42:27 AM » |
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Is player A Arron?
Haha - that was what I was thinking. Like when people make villain the hero in hand analysis. |
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arbboy
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2015, 09:44:22 AM » |
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Think you are confusing the term friend with mild acquaintance. As has been stated friends don't even let this become an issue.
This happened to me a few years ago with a well known poker player who is a blonde member but doesn't post much. I thought it was a great way of effectively 'paying' £100 in EV to realise the type of character he was financially and never had any dealings with him again. Sometimes it works in your favour long term to find out about these types for a relatively small amount of money.
With regard to bounties/additional seats etc i never understand why anything you win as a prize isn't part of any % or swop. Why is it ever just the cash won for some people? A prize is a prize. Say you came 30th in the DTD DS at the weekend and cashed for circa £2k in cash plus a $3500 wpt seat why would the $3500 seat not be part of any swop? It obviously would as it is worth more than the actual cash. The size of the additional prizes doesn't matter though. If they are part of the prize they are part of any swop.
If a seat is part of the prize and you swop then to me it doesn't even need discussing as you both have the same chance of winning the seat when you enter. As someone said if playing that seat then involves additional exs it is totally logical as you have 10% of that seat to then pay the guy 10% of his exs he incurs playing that seat for you.
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2015, 10:34:12 AM » |
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I would also add that if you win a trophy, bracelet, hotel room etc player B doesn't get 10% of that. He only gets 10% of what is easily divisible, like the prize money from a bounty he wins in the poker tournament.
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Most of the bets placed so far seem more like hopeful punts rather than value spots
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2015, 01:14:44 PM » |
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obv everyone has different ideas and ways they do things, thats why it needs clearing up before start of play.
i often swop % with same person and we always have same agreement, however last week a bounty tourney arose(cash for knocking player out type) (we had never played one before within our swops) and we agreed on same % swop, but we would keep any bounty cash ourselves.
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2015, 02:14:59 PM » |
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In this case I could see why people might agree to leave the UB seat out. Its in Copenhagen. Its all fine swapping in a tournament that you're both at but if 1 person cashes and wins the seat, its them that has to front the expense of actually getting to Copenhagen and accomm and expenses etc while the other person gets to sweat their piece from the comfort of their own home and without any of those expenses but obv this should be mentioned beforehand
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Ya gotta crawl before ya ball!
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2015, 04:38:30 PM » |
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Player A has the option of using the Unibet seat in London, rather than Copenhagen. Player A still opts for the option of Copenhagen.
Player A and Play B haven't spoken to each other since this matter.
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2015, 04:39:52 PM » |
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get new friends if this has become a big deal
I am not quite sure why this wouldn't be a big deal? It's obviously very unlikely that Player A will win a huge field event, but obviously one of them is going to feel disappointed with the matter and potentially financially lost out. |
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arbboy
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2015, 04:40:19 PM » |
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Player A has the option of using the Unibet seat in London, rather than Copenhagen. Player A still opts for the option of Copenhagen.
Player A and Play B haven't spoken to each other since this matter.
What difference does it make to player B where the seat is used as player A insists he doesn't have a % anyway? |
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